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Old June 4 2011, 06:57 AM   #1
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Future of War Movies...

What kind of war movies can we expect in the future/

I really hope for more sci-fi war movies with the current conflicts being unpopular enough not to be used for propaganda and we know WW2 had been milked enough.
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Old June 4 2011, 07:40 PM   #2
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If you mean "what is the future of the war movie" and not "let's talk about movies about futuristic war," you're in the wrong forum.

If the topic is the former, OBL's very timely demise was a popular event, and will soon be a major motion picture.
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Old June 4 2011, 08:26 PM   #3
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I'm still waiting for a good NATO v. Warsaw Pact film.
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Old June 4 2011, 08:51 PM   #4
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There is always more scope for another WWII movie, after all they are remaking The Dambusters (I believe) so which one is next for the remake treatment.
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Old June 4 2011, 09:09 PM   #5
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What kind of war movies can we expect in the future/

I really hope for more sci-fi war movies with the current conflicts being unpopular enough not to be used for propaganda and we know WW2 had been milked enough.
Corporate Warfare - Either industrial espionage or sabotage leading to conflict between corporations, competing military contractors in-country fighting each other, or military contractors vs. conventional military.

Gaming Culture Mixing With Warfare - Taking the frequent commentary on the video-game-like nature of modern war fought at a distance to its logical extent, have naive top gamers fresh out of school recruited to operate drones and robots having to come to grips with the reality of the destruction they've wrought and the lives they've taken once they finally see it up close and personal.

Electronic Warfare - War fought entirely in cyberspace over control of information or sabotage of enemy systems.

The Ultimate Expendable Soldiers
- What happens when politicians and military leaders no longer have to deal with a populace weary of seeing their young men and women come home dead or wounded because they've found soldiers the vast majority of people have no relation to or care for, such as clones, robots, or so forth? Doesn't this make war that much more easy to justify and prolong in their eyes and therefore more prevalent?

Resource And Environmental War - Battles over dwindling fossil fuels, climate-related disasters causing famine and flooding and refugee displacement, warfare between the have and the have nots. Nothing new in and of itself, but drawing on more modern issues like Climate Change and dwindling oil reserves in the Middle East.

Solar System Neo-Colonialism - A new wave of colonialism spreads amongst the moons, planets, and planetoids of the solar system, with subsequent independence movements on those worlds when they feel exploited.

Alternate Timeline War Stories
- If all the good "bad guys" are gone, simply tell the story from the perspective of a world where they aren't.
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Old June 4 2011, 09:22 PM   #6
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I really hope for more sci-fi war movies with the current conflicts being unpopular enough not to be used for propaganda
Granted, but milking a war for films isn't the same as being propagandistic.

Hell, there's a fair number of 1920s/1930s films about World War I, and they're pretty negative. (Thinking mostly of Four Horseman of the Apocalypse and All Quiet on the Western Front). The unpopularity of World War I was even used for explicit propaganda purposes, in Russian films celebrating the Russian Revolution.

And then there's say, Vietnam. I don't think I'm raising any eyebrows if I suggest that there have been a number of films about Vietnam, and some of them portray the war in less than propagandistic terms - Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter, Full Metal Jacket and so on.

Finally, today's wars... are already pretty popular in movies. At least in the sense there's been more then a few Iraq war movies already - most notably the Oscar-winning Hurt Locker, although I've also seen In the Valley of Elah - even if so far as I know none of these movies have done well financially.

I guess the difference here is these are pretty critical films about an ongoing war, which is peculiar. Making war films during a war isn't that uncommon - both World Wars had a spate of them - but they tend to be very propagandistic. This is also true of the one American film made during Vietnam, The Green Berets.

Films critical of the said wars, like the World War I movies and Vietnam flicks I've mentioned, tend to have been made after those wars were safely over. Films critical of America's current wars are being made long before those wars are over, although the succesful one I noted - Hurt Locker - is something I felt had an ambiguous, largely apolitical tone.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more films about America's current and future wars, and obviously, World War II has continued to be a popular film setting and I don't see that ending any time soon. Beyond that, who knows - sure, there could be a great, say, Napoelonic War movie in the offing, but I don't think we'd get a slew of them.

Now, as to the future of sci-fi war movies?

I'd like to see The Forever War as a film.
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Old June 4 2011, 10:04 PM   #7
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I'd buy two tickets to see a movie about the retreat from Russia and the Battle of Nations.

Downfall did pretty well, so I imagine you could make a good movie about the end of the end at Fontainebleu too.
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Old June 4 2011, 10:37 PM   #8
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I wish there'd be more movies in the vein of the movies based on the Cornelius Ryan novels, aka A Bridge too far, The Longest Day, The Last Battle. These movies are told from both sides and have a sense of scale that modern war movies just don't have these days. They're all one-sided.
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Old June 4 2011, 10:39 PM   #9
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I wish there'd be more movies in the vein of the movies based on the Cornelius Ryan novels, aka A Bridge too far, The Longest Day, The Last Battle. These movies are told from both sides and have a sense of scale that modern war movies just don't have these days. They're all one-sided.
Enemy at the Gates? Underrated flick.

(Of course, then you have something like the far more successful Black Hawk Down, where they might as well be mowing down zombies who figured out how to operate Kalashnikovs.)
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Old June 5 2011, 12:29 AM   #10
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If you mean "what is the future of the war movie" and not "let's talk about movies about futuristic war," you're in the wrong forum.

If the topic is the former, OBL's very timely demise was a popular event, and will soon be a major motion picture.

I loved hurtlocker this will be great if will be anything like that or blackhawk down.
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Old June 5 2011, 02:35 AM   #11
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I'm still waiting for a good NATO v. Warsaw Pact film.
Tom Clancy's novel Red Storm Rising would be a perfect alternate-history period piece miniseries for HBO or somesuch.
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Old June 5 2011, 02:37 AM   #12
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I'm still waiting for a good NATO v. Warsaw Pact film.
Tom Clancy's novel Red Storm Rising would be a perfect alternate-history period piece miniseries for HBO or somesuch.
I just wanna see Abramses and T-80s get blown up real good. I think we need at least $200 million.

Hell, you know what would be just as good? Kursk. Call the film The Wall of Prokhorovka, it's about 1200 tanks slamming into each other on the Russian plain. It doesn't even have to be on the moon, it'll gross a billion dollars.
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Old June 5 2011, 05:43 AM   #13
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anyone watched the 9th company?

You should, its the best Afghanistan movie as far as i am concerned.
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Old June 5 2011, 03:11 PM   #14
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I wish there'd be more movies in the vein of the movies based on the Cornelius Ryan novels, aka A Bridge too far, The Longest Day, The Last Battle. These movies are told from both sides and have a sense of scale that modern war movies just don't have these days. They're all one-sided.
That's not unique to the Allies, though. There are plenty of films that tell the story from the other side.

The thing is are you making an action film, or an historical film? If it's an action film, you need the audience to side with your heroes. So it violates tone and potentially sets your audience against the heroes if you take too much time to create sympathy for the villains/enemy. The James Bond films have actually been guilty of this a few times - the only times that Bond has killed someone in which I've actually been negative towards Bond doing so have been those films in which we're given time to get to know the villains.

When it comes to being historical films, on the other hand - there's plenty of scope for telling both sides. "Tora Tora Tora" comes to mind right away, as does the two Clint Eastwood films that looked at Iwo Jima from both the Japanese and American point of view (Flags of Our Fathers/Letters from Iwo Jima). The existence of those two films alone rather contradicts the idea that all modern war films are "all one-sided". You could also include the recent House of Saddam mini-series which was all from Saddam Hussein's perspective. And I'm willing to bet someone will do an OBL biographical film - possibly even a sympathetic one, and wait for the sparks to fly on that - before long.

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Old June 5 2011, 03:24 PM   #15
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I suppose the Naepolonic era could be used as setting for the a film, but whilst there were many battles the top two most commonly known would be the Battle of Trafalager or Warterloo
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