X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!**

[M'rk, son of Mogh]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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Singer needs to just go away.

Let the new team take up the franchise. First Class was better than SInger's overwrought allegory polemics from scene one word one.

You do know Singer was a pretty big part of the new team, don't you? As producer and story credits?

[Admiral_Young]

Yep if it weren't for Singer, we'd not have got the movie we did.

[Xavier_Storma]

What are yout talking about?
The X-films are the best comic-book inspired films of all. Only Nolan's Batman can compete with them.

FIRST CLASS was an outstanding film, and I cannot wait for the sequel, which will go into production January 2013.

[Set Harth]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Bryan Singer has mentioned the possibility of Vietnam and Matthew Vaughn talked about wanting the opening shot of the film to address the JFK assassination and have Erik be responsible for the so called "magic bullet". Not sure if either of these possibilities will actually be in the film of course.

LEAVE JFK ALONE!!!!!!

[Xavier_Storma]

Set Harth wrote:

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LEAVE JFK ALONE!!!!!!

I hope they won't!!!
This would be a great setup.

Plus: Having the sequel set during the Vietnam War would open up the possibility to include Logan and Victor Creed in a minor role for example...
The Wolverine cameo in FIRST CLASS was the best cameo in movie history.

[Ian Keldon]

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote:

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You do know Singer was a pretty big part of the new team, don't you? As producer and story credits?

He did one work pass on the script then stepped back into the producer role, where his influence on the actual film was limited (thankfully). The project was then given over to less stuffy creatives who gave us the final version.

[Ian Keldon]

Xavier_Storma wrote:

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What are yout talking about?
The X-films are the best comic-book inspired films of all. Only Nolan's Batman can compete with them.

Sorry, that honor belongs to Iron Man, or the original Superman (for DC fans).

Nolan doesn't make 'comic book movies'...just ask him...

FIRST CLASS was an outstanding film, and I cannot wait for the sequel, which will go into production January 2013.

Agreed.

[Xavier_Storma]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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Sorry, that honor belongs to Iron Man, or the original Superman (for DC fans).

Nolan doesn't make 'comic book movies'...just ask him...

Agreed.

But just the first IRON MAN. That one was outstanding. And although the second was not bad, it felt unfinished.
I am looking forward to IRON MAN III which, according to interviews with the producers, will be a mixture of comic action and Tom Clancy like thriller.

[Eduardo]

With The Wolverine & First Class 2 coming up, this would make the X-Men franchise the longest running comic book franchise in history?

Up to 7 movies with these two, I think the longest before was the original Superman franchise (1-4, Supergirl & Returns, 6 movies).

[M'rk, son of Mogh]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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He did one work pass on the script then stepped back into the producer role, where his influence on the actual film was limited (thankfully). The project was then given over to less stuffy creatives who gave us the final version.

I think you may be selling his influence on the movie a little short.
Even in that he was directly responsible for getting Vaughn onto the project. Besides the fact that Singer's fingerprints are all over the final product, even Matt Murdock could see that.

[Ian Keldon]

Eduardo wrote:

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With The Wolverine & First Class 2 coming up, this would make the X-Men franchise the longest running comic book franchise in history?

Up to 7 movies with these two, I think the longest before was the original Superman franchise (1-4, Supergirl & Returns, 6 movies).

Actually, it's Batman. Counting LA movies only:

Movie/Lead Actor
The Batman 1943 Lewis Wilson
Batman 1966 Adam West
Batman 1989 MIchael Keaton
Batman returns 1992 Michael Keaton
Batman Forever 1995 Val Kilmer
Batman & Robin 1997 George Clooney
Batman Begins 2005 Christian Bale
The Dark Knight 2008 Christian Bale

[Ian Keldon]

Eduardo wrote:

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With The Wolverine & First Class 2 coming up, this would make the X-Men franchise the longest running comic book franchise in history?

Up to 7 movies with these two, I think the longest before was the original Superman franchise (1-4, Supergirl & Returns, 6 movies).

Actually, it's Batman:

Movie/Lead Actor)
The Batman 1943 Lewis Wilson
Batman 1966 Adam West
Batman 1989 MIchael Keaton
Batman returns 1992 Michael Keaton
Batman Forever 1995 Val Kilmer
Batman & Robin 1997 George Clooney
Batman Begins 2005 Christian Bale
The Dark Knight 2008 Christian Bale

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote:

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I think you may be selling his influence on the movie a little short.

Even in that he was directly responsible for getting Vaughn onto the project. Besides the fact that Singer's fingerprints are all over the final product, even Matt Murdock could see that.

I don't see it. FC was a lot faster paced, didn't spend a lot of time on angsty allegorical "fluff", was better cast and better acted overall.

[Xavier_Storma]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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Actually, it's Batman. Counting LA movies only:

Movie/Lead Actor
The Batman 1943 Lewis Wilson
Batman 1966 Adam West
Batman 1989 MIchael Keaton
Batman returns 1992 Michael Keaton
Batman Forever 1995 Val Kilmer
Batman & Robin 1997 George Clooney
Batman Begins 2005 Christian Bale
The Dark Knight 2008 Christian Bale

But those do not share the same continuity...

You could always add GENERATION X to the X-film mix...

THE AVENGERS are close, and will surpass the X-Men next year.

But: Hugh Jackman is with his 5 (soon to become 6) Wolverine outings a recordholder. Robert Downey Jr. will be second by next year, when Iron Man III will be released having 5 films as Tony Stark.

[Admiral_Young]

@Ian Keldon your statements about Singer are incorrect as was pointed out. He came up with the story treatment used as the basis for the script, and helped cast the film, and almost nearly directed the movie, but couldn't get out of his "Jack the Giant Killer" iron clad contract with Warner Bros. He also consulted with Vaughn on the film as well. So again, without his original pitch to Laura Donner this film would not have happened as it did. He also voiced his disappointment and concern when the WGA announced it's accreditation of the credits for the film and left out Jamie Moss who was responsible for writing the first draft of the script based on his treatment I believe and instead gave story credit to Sheldon Turner. All you have to do is conduct a google search to see how much Bryan Singer was involved in this movie. As I said, he almost directed it.

[beamMe]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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He did one work pass on the script then stepped back into the producer role, where his influence on the actual film was limited (thankfully). The project was then given over to less stuffy creatives who gave us the final version.

We have seen what happens when Singer isn't involved with the X-Men films: The Last Stand and Wolverine.

First Class feels so much more in synch with the Singer-films and his style that, I at least, had the feeling he directed it.