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View Poll Results: How Much Did You Enjoy X-MEN: FIRST CLASS?
A+ (Great Movie!) 73 35.61%
A (Entertained a lot!) 93 45.37%
B (Was okay, not bad) 30 14.63%
C (Below expectations) 6 2.93%
D (Very bad) 2 0.98%
F (Intolerable, want money back) 1 0.49%
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Old November 18 2011, 05:21 PM   #976
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^ I don't think that Polanski's movies don't do well because of his sex crimes, all the same. I'd like to think that that's the reason people boycotted them but I think it's more likely that they're either not very good or not very commercial.
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Old November 18 2011, 05:27 PM   #977
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^ I don't think that Polanski's movies don't do well because of his sex crimes, all the same. I'd like to think that that's the reason people boycotted them but I think it's more likely that they're either not very good or not very commercial.
Polanski is a great filmmaker. The Ghost Writer, for example, was one of the best films of last year and horribly overlooked. I don't know why his films aren't more successful and I didn't mean to imply that they weren't successful because of his sex crimes. I think the man is extremely talented and I don't care about his personal life.

I think if Brett Ratner was more talented, and he made better movies, I'd have a slightly less problem with his personal antics (even though his comments really bug me). I think it's the double whammy of Ratner being a hack on a creative and artistic level and then being an ass in public. It sort of feels like he's one of those jerks that is successful and rich and flaunts it, doesn't care, and takes advantage of the lifestyle that he leads (which causes him to be so flippant, arrogant, and completely idiotic in public). At least Polanski is a well-spoken, intelligent and thoughtful man. Ratner is just beyond disrespectful and annoying, not to mention highly offensive (and talent-less, to boot).
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Old November 18 2011, 05:29 PM   #978
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^ Polanski is a much better movie-maker, without question. But Ratner didn't have sex with a child. So that puts Polanski even lower than the Rat in the piece-of-shit stakes, IMHO.

Bizarrely enough, Polanski appears in Ratner's Rush Hour 3...
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Old November 18 2011, 06:04 PM   #979
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^ Polanski is a much better movie-maker, without question. But Ratner didn't have sex with a child. So that puts Polanski even lower than the Rat in the piece-of-shit stakes, IMHO.
I don't really hate Ratner's films because I think he's a dick. I dislike his films because I believe they are bad films. Hopefully I can make that distinction. On top of that, I think he's an asshole in person, and I dislike him personally. If he made good films, then I would separate my public opinion of him from his films, but it's difficult to make that separation when I feel he has very poor manners and his films are very lackluster. Does that make sense?

I don't want to condone Polanski or his actions, but at least I can separate Polanski and his personal life and history from his professional career because he's a talented artist. I can't really do that with Ratner, because either way I don't like him. That might not make much sense, and I might not have communicated that effectively, but that's how I feel.
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Old November 18 2011, 06:07 PM   #980
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^ I get ya.
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Old November 18 2011, 07:10 PM   #981
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the Phoenix in X3 was a clone of Jean, she's really been captured by Sinister, along with Scott. They're stuck in Sinister's lab somewhere, prisoners of the Nasty Boys and the Marauders until Cyclops and Phoenix the movie happens.
There, we've got the first two minutes of X4 figured out.

Now we just need to figure out the next two hours.
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Old November 18 2011, 07:30 PM   #982
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I think that might be the reverse that Ratner was more agreeable with 20th Century Fox. If memory serves, the budget was set before Ratner came on board during pre-production after Vaughn bailed. It's very likely, unlike Singer, he was fine with what he was given and didn't push for more. I can see this given the surface-deep nature of his other films.
The budget actually ballooned when Ratner came on-board. I believe the budget was around $175-$200 million when Matthew Vaughn was slated to direct but after Ratner came on-board the budget apparently skyrocketed to over $225 million. At least that's what Empire reported.

According to Box Office Mojo, the purported production budget was $210 million. Comparatively speaking, the budget for X-Men was $75 million and the budget for X2 was $110 million. Ratner essentially had another $100 million more to work with than Singer had on X2.

Singer wanted the Danger Room, he wanted Sentinels, and he wanted bigger action sequences (as well as more breathing room for other characters like Angel). 20th Century Fox repeatedly denied him those things. Brett Ratner wanted the Danger Room, he wanted Sentinels (they weren't in the script before he came on-board; he reveals this in the commentary) and he wanted big action sequences and he got them. In my view, there's some faulty logic there. It seems 20th Century Fox should have been more flexible with Singer and had that happened he wouldn't have been enticed to jump ship. They were perfectly willing to accommodate Ratner and his needs but not Singer's.
And you think Singer wouldn't have gotten that extra $100 million? Singer left before any of that was figured out. WB offered Superman to Singer, Singer asked to have X-Men 3 wait a year, Fox said no, and Singer left due to that (coupled with his experiences with the studio from the earlier films).

I guess referring to homosexuals as "fags" doesn't make him an asshole in your book. Okay, I'll accept that. I guess being racist and making fun of someone's ethnicity, and then repeatedly lying about someone's sex life in public is morally acceptable, or at least not "asshole" like behavior. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
That's not what I meant, and you know that.

He made a dumbass comment while trying to joke around. It wasn't a smart move, and he rightly suffered the consequences. However, it was pretty clear there was no malice surrounding what he said. To me, intent and malice is everything. So, while I don't think it makes him an ass necessarily, it does make him an ignorant buffoon.

20th Century Fox equally wanted Aronofsky. They tried to get him for the first movie (and apparently for The Last Stand as well). Jackman doesn't have that much clout.
When it comes to Wolverine, I'd say he has some good pull.
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Old November 18 2011, 08:04 PM   #983
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This is why we all must ignore The Last Stand. No good can come from it
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Old November 18 2011, 08:57 PM   #984
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This is why we all must ignore The Last Stand. No good can come from it
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Old November 19 2011, 03:49 AM   #985
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Yeah, not a Polanski or Ratner fan, nor The Last Stand. I mean really, who greenlight a story with mutant cures ending it all if you wanted the franchise to continue? Making the Dark Phoenix dumbed down and secondary for it was like cutting your nose to spite your face. I'd much rather watch the cartoon in place of TLS.

Anyhoo.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...itching_To_Fox

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http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/11/18...-class-sequel/

McAvoy and Fassbender are hoping!
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Old December 8 2011, 06:17 PM   #986
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Fox's Tom Rothman on a sequel (and possible other Fox superhero movies):

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/225...marvel-reboots

“It’s ‘go’ in the sense that we’re trying like hell. We’re trying as hard as we can. We really want to do it. We’re planning to do it. But the reason, in addition to [Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy] and Matthew Vaughn, that it was as good as it was that the script was really good. The key to making a great continuing franchise is to have a great script, so we’re working hard on it.”
Will Vaughn return? “I know he’d like to. We certainly would like him to. But it’s a matter of, as I said, getting a script that’s really worthy.”
Hearteningly, Fox seem to have taken note of how Marvel have handled their comic movies, as oppose to how Fox have. One gets the impression that they'll be aiming for the high standard set by the Marvel-produced movies, as well as First Class and this year's Planet of the Apes movies, as oppose to the likes of Elektra or the Fantastic Four, when they reboot Daredevil and FF etc.
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Old December 8 2011, 09:40 PM   #987
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Maybe FOX should build their own "Marvel" universe out of the properties they hold the rights to.
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Old December 8 2011, 09:45 PM   #988
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^Hmmmmm. Interesting idea. But I don't know that Daredevil, X-Men and FF would all work onscreen together too well. But they might do, who knows?

I wish DD and Spider-man were owned by the same company though...
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Old December 8 2011, 10:13 PM   #989
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^Hmmmmm. Interesting idea. But I don't know that Daredevil, X-Men and FF would all work onscreen together too well. But they might do, who knows?
IIRC, wasn't there a nod to the X-Men movies in one of the Fantastic Four movies? A photograph of Doom and Stryker together or something?
I wish DD and Spider-man were owned by the same company though...
I agree. For no other reason than the Ben Urich character, who would be the perfect "bridge" character between the franchises (ala Coulson or Fury). Jameson would work in that regard as well, but not as well as Urich, the reporter who cracked both DD and Spidey's secret IDs, but never published them.
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Old December 8 2011, 11:04 PM   #990
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With The Wolverine set for 2013, I don't expect a First Class sequel until 2014 at the earliest, so they've got plenty of time to get a solid script together. They won't have to rush the production like they did with The Last Stand and kind of did with First Class.
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