X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!**

[KB24]

I don't think this film is meant to be a Civil Rights Allegory. I know the cast and crew referenced it a lot, but I took that as more of where they felt the diverging X and Magneto thought from and where they were going. A Sequel dealing full on with the Movement would be sweet!

My rather long review is here:

http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogsp...rst-class.html

[Praetor_Shinzon]

KB24 wrote:

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I don't think this film is meant to be a Civil Rights Allegory. I know the cast and crew referenced it a lot, but I took that as more of where they felt the diverging X and Magneto thought from and where they were going. A Sequel dealing full on with the Movement would be sweet!

My rather long review is here:

http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogsp...rst-class.html

nice review. i also enjoyed your Dark Shadows collection 11 review.

[KB24]

That was quick Shin! Didn't know anyone was reading the Dark Shadows fun!

[TrekkieMonster]

HoneyBLilly wrote:

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That's how she is in Mad Men too.

Well at least I have some good things to expect.

I have to say that my take was exactly like RoJo's. And, I have thought about your point, too, HoneyBLilly. You're definitely right, she is stiff and robotic often times in Mad Men. But, for some reason there it doesn't bother me nearly as much, especially in the more recent ep's. It's seems that they may have started writing Betty Draper to be more of an "ice queen"/bitch, so it plays a little better (to me, anyway.)

But here, yeah, to me I just kept feeling like she was almost reading cue cards or something. For instance ...,

...I loved the scene where she's in the isolation room and steps up the two way mirror and cuts the hole ... until she "reads" her lines. The lines were good, but the delivery left me flat.

And, I promise, I don't mean to beat a dead horse. Just trying to clarify.

[Trekker4747]

KB24 wrote:

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I don't think this film is meant to be a Civil Rights Allegory.

I believe the comic books first took on a sort of Civil Rights tone, but the more recent movies seem to have taken on a tone of being about homosexuality rights than rights for minorities or women.

For example, Magneto tells Mystique that she's working too hard to hide who she "really is" and she needs to be herself. Pretty much a clear allegory to gay people working too hard to stay in the closet when they shouldn't have too.

This similarity is perhaps most clear in the second X-Men movie when Iceman's mother says to him, "Have you tried not being a mutant?"

And, of course, Bryan Singer himself is gay so it would seem to follow the X-Men movies under his watch would take on such a tone.

[T'Baio]

"You didn't ask, I didn't tell."

[Captaindemotion]

I think the Malcolm X comparisons in the earlier movies were somewhat overblown anyway. I mean, Magneto tried to kill all of non-mutant humanity at the end of X2. I don't know an awful lot about Malcolm but he wouldn't have advocated all non-black people or all white people.

[exodus]

T'Baio wrote:

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Fair enough. That just seems myopic and closed minded to me.

I feel the same way when folks take film critques and make it personal.

Captaindemotion wrote:

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I think the Malcolm X comparisons in the earlier movies were somewhat overblown anyway. I mean, Magneto tried to kill all of non-mutant humanity at the end of X2. I don't know an awful lot about Malcolm but he wouldn't have advocated all non-black people or all white people.

While Malcolm was was the spokesman for the Nation Of Islam under the influence of Elijah Muhammad, this was the path he was on. They believed Blacks were superior and White were a bane to society. If they couldn't get rid of Whites, then seperate but equal was the only other course of action. Had he not travelled to Mecca and learn the true teachings of the Nation of Islam he very well could have. Due to him learning the truth about Islam, it was the reason he was assassinated by Elijah Muhammed.

[Obiwanshinobi]

How dare you.

[exodus]

ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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How dare you.

It works better with a back handed pimp slap.

[Obiwanshinobi]

exodus wrote:

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It works better with a back handed pimp slap.

Ehhh?

[exodus]

ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Ehhh?

[Set Harth]

KB24 wrote:

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I don't think this film is meant to be a Civil Rights Allegory.

Has anyone seen this article?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/opinion/09coates.html

[Praetor_Shinzon]

KB24 wrote:

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That was quick Shin! Didn't know anyone was reading the Dark Shadows fun!

i had the skip over some stuff in the DS review, as i've just got to the part where Vicki and Jeff get married. this is my first time watching the whole series. i grew up with reruns on sci-fi ch, but i would miss whole months of the show so i was usually kinda confused.

[exodus]

Set Harth wrote:

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Has anyone seen this article?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/opinion/09coates.html

Thanks for posting that.