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Old May 17 2011, 02:57 PM   #1
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A forgotten Enterprise?

I came across this: http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/Dec...ulturePage.htm and I'm wondering if anyone has ever actually seen one or built one. It looks like a rather cool model and I'm thinking of getting one.

Anyone?
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Old May 17 2011, 08:06 PM   #2
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

I haven't seen the model itself, but it looks like a fun project. For those of you not familiar with the classic ringship design that first appeared on the wall of the rec-room in "The Motion Picture," perhaps the most spectacular rendering of XCV-330 comes from industrial designer Mark Rademaker:

http://mark-rademaker.blogspot.com/2...date-time.html

I personally think this design feels more realistic, if not necessarily stylistic, as a future spaceship; and if it weren't such a cumbersome shape to produce or manage in the special effects studio, Jefferies' earlier ringship might have been in more serious contention for the final design of 1701.

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Old May 17 2011, 11:29 PM   #3
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

A better close up of Mark's 3d skills:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1oTNGkUkHg.../enviropod.jpg
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Old May 17 2011, 11:35 PM   #4
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

It's an interesting design, but the rings don't appear thick enough to contain any habitable crew space. What are they for? Are they part of the propulsion system?
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Old May 17 2011, 11:37 PM   #5
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

Yup. That's the general consensus.
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Old May 18 2011, 12:04 AM   #6
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It's an interesting design, but the rings don't appear thick enough to contain any habitable crew space. What are they for? Are they part of the propulsion system?
Annular warp drive, like the Vulcans use.
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Old May 18 2011, 12:17 AM   #7
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

Though I have seen at least one take on the design that used the ring for habitation. Not that I'm keen on the idea.

Just noticed something... that model has a hangar bay slung to the side of the command module. Haven't seen that on a Jefferies Ringship before.
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Old May 18 2011, 01:54 AM   #8
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

Doug Drexler cites Michael Okuda's explanation for the XCV-330 design:

One of the most radical experiments in early Earth starship design was the Enterprise XCV. Unlike the traditional nacelle-and-saucer configuration, the XCV uses an annular propulsion system, based on Vulcan vehicle designs. This ship however, employed cyclotron accelerators to create a high-energy proton flux. The protons circled through the massive outer rings of verterium gallenide segments, generating a symmetrical subspace field. Each of the two coleopter ring structures contained two counter-rotating cyclotrons. The cyclotrons in each ring operated slightly out of phase with each other, generating the propulsive field imbalance that carried the ship through subspace at warp speeds.
Although I continue to have high praise for the respectable compromise Drexler pulled off with the NX-01, I still would have loved for the Enterprise TV series to have been the story of this vessel. No, it wouldn't have had a crew of 88 nor a bridge with duty stations and a swivel command chair and an elevator. But it would have been one exciting show.

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Old May 18 2011, 02:01 AM   #9
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Herkimer Jitty wrote: View Post
Though I have seen at least one take on the design that used the ring for habitation. Not that I'm keen on the idea.
Mine was that way, but there may be others...

I based my version more on the image shown in the "spaceflight chronology" :



and put primary habitation in the ring, with main systems in the mainly-uninhabited core.



The ring actually consisted of rotating elements. (There was no artificial gravity, by my reckoning, at this point in history.) The ship didn't have "warp drive" but did have "subspace assisted impulse" as its FTL drive system. I even did a Matt Jefferies workpod to go along with it.


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Old May 18 2011, 02:55 AM   #10
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DFScott wrote: View Post
Doug Drexler cites Michael Okuda's explanation for the XCV-330 design:

One of the most radical experiments in early Earth starship design was the Enterprise XCV. Unlike the traditional nacelle-and-saucer configuration, the XCV uses an annular propulsion system, based on Vulcan vehicle designs. This ship however, employed cyclotron accelerators to create a high-energy proton flux. The protons circled through the massive outer rings of verterium gallenide segments, generating a symmetrical subspace field. Each of the two coleopter ring structures contained two counter-rotating cyclotrons. The cyclotrons in each ring operated slightly out of phase with each other, generating the propulsive field imbalance that carried the ship through subspace at warp speeds.
...I still would have loved for the Enterprise TV series to have been the story of this vessel. No, it wouldn't have had a crew of 88 nor a bridge with duty stations and a swivel command chair and an elevator. But it would have been one exciting show.
Yes, I also think it would have been better.
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Old May 18 2011, 03:25 AM   #11
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Old May 19 2011, 01:47 PM   #12
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

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A better close up of Mark's 3d skills:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1oTNGkUkHg.../enviropod.jpg
Wow! That is Fraking awesome!
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Old May 19 2011, 04:14 PM   #13
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Re: A forgotten Enterprise?

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A better close up of Mark's 3d skills:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1oTNGkUkHg.../enviropod.jpg
Wow! That is Fraking awesome!
Agreed. I skimmed through his site, hoping for some glimpses into his work flow, but my quest was in vain.

Maybe over at Sci-Fi meshes ....
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Old May 19 2011, 04:37 PM   #14
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^He doesn't post there.
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Old May 21 2011, 06:47 PM   #15
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More on ringship/clippers
http://federationreference.prophpbb.com/topic778.html

Cary I actually like your larger version a lot--it seems much more roomy.
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