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Old April 9 2011, 10:31 PM   #1
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Kirk...

I know that this post is likely to see me hung, drawn and quartered, but...

Is there anyone else who cannot stand Kirk as a Captain? Or am I alone in this?
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Old April 9 2011, 10:50 PM   #2
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Re: Kirk...

I have a love-hate with Kirk. Sometimes he's just bad ass amazing and other times I want to punch him in the dick.
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Old April 10 2011, 03:40 AM   #3
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Re: Kirk...

I imagine there are some. I do find the Kirk of the movies somewhat irritating, but the TV show Kirk is pretty OK for me. He can be a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood, though.
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Old April 10 2011, 03:42 AM   #4
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Re: Kirk...

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I imagine there are some. I do find the Kirk of the movies somewhat irritating...
This. The character becomes something of a parody in the TOS-based movies of the 1980s. Kirk is at his best as a character in the first year of the original series, and there he's a far more magnetic and entertaining lead than any of the actors who followed him in similar roles IMAO.
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Old April 10 2011, 04:11 AM   #5
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I do think there is a difference in Kirk as the series and movies evolved. The Kirk of the first season, particular the first half of the first season, is different from the Kirk of the third season. The second season Kirk lies somewhere in between. I see more of the second season Kirk in the movies.
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Old April 10 2011, 05:00 AM   #6
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Re: Kirk...

I love Kirk with all my heart, but Picard was more interesting and complex. It is not a coincidence that Patrick Stewart is a far better actor than William Shatner could ever dream of being.
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Old April 10 2011, 05:30 AM   #7
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Re: Kirk...

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I love Kirk with all my heart, but Picard was more interesting and complex. It is not a coincidence that Patrick Stewart is a far better actor than William Shatner could ever dream of being.
I wouldn’t say one actor is better than the other. Different styles, different acting traditions, different ways of approaching a character.

And Picard is a great big bore. Kirk is DA MAN!
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Old April 10 2011, 05:50 AM   #8
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Re: Kirk...

Any lead role in any STAR TREK TV show or movie is always going to be an acquired taste. All the lead characters always have personality quirks that make them either interesting to watch or irritating, depending on your point of view.

Part of this is the actor/actress playing the role. Part of it is the style of the show's writing and part is the overall tone of the show. Any TREK is an acquired taste. Just ask someone who hates TREK no matter what vintage it is.
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Old April 10 2011, 06:00 AM   #9
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Re: Kirk...

Right... different acting... styles. Keep telling yourself that...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvRBDQqSmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UMxWrwPeto
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Old April 10 2011, 06:02 AM   #10
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Re: Kirk...

Kirk is the personification of the perfect 60s action hero so of course, compared to Picard, he's going to seem more "lively". Also, like Wingsley said, the character is partly defined by the actor. Shatner is more energetic and active compared to Stewart, who I feel is more homely and mellow.

Though, Picard was looking fabulous in First Contact. Way more so than Kirk did in the movies. rawr.
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Old April 10 2011, 05:00 PM   #11
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Actually Kirk was more reflective and intellectual than most "action heroes" of.that era.

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Old April 10 2011, 05:27 PM   #12
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Actually Kirk was more reflective and intellectual than most "action heroes" of.just era.
Who said action heroes had to be dumb?
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Old April 10 2011, 08:37 PM   #13
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Re: Kirk...

I like him enough that I'm rooting for Pine's Kirk to keep migrating as a character more towards Kirk-Kirk.

Kirk is a very complicated character when you dig below the surface. He's a lot more interesting than the standard square jawed astronaut type. He has a lot of vulnerabilities, puts himself on the line emotionally, butches up, takes crazy risks, and then suddenly slams on the breaks and becomes reflective, and then goes too far into faux-profundity and teeters on the edge of self-parody. He's a mass of contradictions. He's unpredictable. He keeps things lively.

Pine's Kirk right now is just a cocky young guy. Boring. But the kid has potential...
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Old April 10 2011, 09:28 PM   #14
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Actually Kirk was more reflective and intellectual than most "action heroes" of.just era.
Who said action heroes had to be dumb?
Hard to post from a smart phone - that should have read "of that era."

You called him the perfect 60s action hero. I pointed out that most displayed less sophistication and intelligence than he did, and that is true.
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Old April 10 2011, 09:31 PM   #15
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Re: Kirk...

In a broader sense, he is the perfect man of the 60s. Charming, dashing, a ladies man, charismatic and damn near flawless. Kirk represented, I think, the ideal version of an action hero as well as a man of the 60s.

He was so flawless in what he did, he became superficial. If he was supposed to be tragic like they said... I didn't see it.

I'm glad that in the movies he became a flawed captain.
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