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Old April 26 2011, 04:33 AM   #1
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SG-U – Epilogue - (2x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

While attempting to return a group of colonists to their home, the crew finds records of their own alternate lives -- and a planet on the verge of seismic destruction.
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Old April 26 2011, 04:37 AM   #2
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Re: SG-U – Epilogue - (2x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I give it a 9, hot dang I loved this episode. Did anyone else feel like it was a classic SG1 ep at the end with the opening of the new school? If you listen, the music sounded exactly like something you'd hear in an early SG1 ep.

Anyway, I quite enjoyed this look into their alternate lives on this planet, and how things developed.

I am so angry this show isn't getting another season, I see so much potential with these new people and the fact that they have a ship out there now, plus their database.

Heh, if Stargate is good about one thing its about Databases. You've got:

1.) The Ancient repository of knowledge head sucker things database.
2.) The Asgard database, that Earth now has.
3.) The database on Atlantis.
4.) The database on Destiny.
5.) The database of a race 2000 years old that was also advanced.

They must love their databases!

This was a fantastic episode IMO.

If they had known they were getting cancelled, I would be OK with this being the FINAL episode of the season, except leave it so its our crew who are the ones that were stranded, and lived this life, sort of a rounding out that our people in the end had a nice life, never could return home, but ended up making a great home for themselves and their decedents.
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Old April 26 2011, 05:03 AM   #3
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i have given SGU alot of grief for its lackluster and "boring" episodes..these 2 episodes [common descent, epilogue] are the 2 best eps of the is short lived series...if we had this type of writing and stories in season 1 maybe it would be having a season 3...
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Old April 26 2011, 05:04 AM   #4
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I loved this two-parter. Epilogue, along with Common Descent and Twin Destinies are among the top 15 best episodes in the entire franchise.

I would love to see so much more about the history of Novus during those 2000 years before the evacuation. Novels, comics, good fan-fic, whatever. It is just such an open and malleable piece of canon.

I really hope that the writers authorize an official, canon, continuation of SGU. Again whether that be a novel series, comics, whatever.
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Old April 26 2011, 05:13 AM   #5
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My big complaint is that there's no reason why the colony split up into two groups other than some arbitrary argument that really meant nothing in the long run. It's like they just wanted to make a "Futura" joke and then forgot to write an adequate backstory.

Also, what database doesn't allow you to search through it while it's being copied?
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Old April 26 2011, 05:19 AM   #6
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My big complaint is that there's no reason why the colony split up into two groups other than some arbitrary argument that really meant nothing in the long run. It's like they just wanted to make a "Futura" joke and then forgot to write an adequate backstory.

Also, what database doesn't allow you to search through it while it's being copied?
Eli said that the database was being compressed before transfer, its hard to view data when its being compressed..i guess
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Old April 26 2011, 05:57 AM   #7
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Eli said that the database was being compressed before transfer, its hard to view data when its being compressed..i guess
Eli was compressing the datastream, not the entire database. If he was compressing the database it should have taken him days to compress it and then play with it. But the point is moot, since TJ never got "fixed".
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Old April 26 2011, 07:18 AM   #8
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Re: SG-U – Epilogue - (2x18) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Great episode! TJ's illness was sort of silly as pressing issue. They know they have at least 5 years before she shows symptoms, so why is everyone suddenly searching right now for the cure? Just make sure you get the database and then search it at leisure on Destiny. Hell, Volker should be the worried one, not TJ.

Still, it tugged at the heart to see that even though they may be alternate versions of the crew, that they still had legacy they could be proud of.
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Old April 26 2011, 08:19 AM   #9
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At least they did get something. They got an air filter, ALS for TJ, and Varro is Fubar. Very close to an absolute reset to zero though.
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Old April 26 2011, 08:32 AM   #10
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Ugh... A *4*.

Can we please stop with with old age makeup and dubious old age acting? Please, I am so tired of it. I really hope the last episode(s) have an uptick, because these last two-three episodes have not been pleasant to sit through.
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Why can't destiny just catch up with one of the sub-FTL ships and ask for a copy of the database/archive?

(Also...why didn't this highly advanced 2000 year-old society that *started* with Destiny's knowledge, have FTL...?)

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Heh, if Stargate is good about one thing its about Databases. You've got:

1.) The Ancient repository of knowledge head sucker things database.
2.) The Asgard database, that Earth now has.
3.) The database on Atlantis.
4.) The database on Destiny.
5.) The database of a race 2000 years old that was also advanced.

They must love their databases!
Yeah...and it's all enough to keep every scholar on Earth working for centuries to pour through it all and learn from it - propelling mankind millions of years ahead in development!

But no...it's alll a BIG (IMPLAUSIBLE IT'S STILL KEPT A) SECRET.

With the knowledge and technology available to Earth now...we should be able to end hunger and want and disease and explore the stars and unite the galaxies. It's *criminal* they are keeping that tech and knowledge secret from the bulk of mankind! Look at what happened in Hati and now in Japan? That shouldn't happen on a world with that kind of technology! But we'll let an entire country get irradiated beause we have to keep the BIG SECRET! Right...

And ALS? What, with all the Ancient's and Asgard and whatever tech...and things like NANOTECHNLOGY and statis pods...they should EASILY be able to cure TJ's ALS now...or at least put her on ice until they get home and cure her like they did Rodney's sister and many others. (Maybe she could become a Tok'ra host for a while? Isn't that race dying for want of hosts? And yet millions die every year on Earth of incurable diseases many of whom who would .gladly volunteer to hst a Tok'ra in exchange for *NOT DYING*! Even if just a tiny *fraction* did...that would be enough!)

Sorry...I am ranting...but a lot of those doesn't make any sense anymore...and yet I can't stop watching...lol.
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Old April 26 2011, 09:26 AM   #12
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Why can't destiny just catch up with one of the sub-FTL ships and ask for a copy of the database/archive?

(Also...why didn't this highly advanced 2000 year-old society that *started* with Destiny's knowledge, have FTL...?)
There are two main problems with finding that sub-FTL ship. 1.) Destiny has to remain in FTL for a specific amount of time, and then drop out and can't go back into FTL for a specific amount of time, else it hurts the engines. 2.) They don't know where the sub-FTL ship went, in what direction, space is big, and it is like finding an atom on a needle in a haystack.

The society did not start with FTL technology. If you noticed, they had nothing but the things on their backs, and information was not recorded on the Kino's from the original crew, but rather diaries and life experiences etc.... The society started out primitive. It isn't like they completely understand the Ancients FTL anyway as it is, they can work it, even repair it some, but building one from scratch based on memory alone? I doubt that is possible. The society grew much like ours, it started out primitive, and over time technology developed. I'd say their sub-FTL ships are even superior to what we have now, so they did seem to be more advanced than us at least.
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Why can't destiny just catch up with one of the sub-FTL ships and ask for a copy of the database/archive?

(Also...why didn't this highly advanced 2000 year-old society that *started* with Destiny's knowledge, have FTL...?)
There are two main problems with finding that sub-FTL ship. 1.) Destiny has to remain in FTL for a specific amount of time, and then drop out and can't go back into FTL for a specific amount of time, else it hurts the engines. 2.) They don't know where the sub-FTL ship went, in what direction, space is big, and it is like finding an atom on a needle in a haystack.

The society did not start with FTL technology. If you noticed, they had nothing but the things on their backs, and information was not recorded on the Kino's from the original crew, but rather diaries and life experiences etc.... The society started out primitive. It isn't like they completely understand the Ancients FTL anyway as it is, they can work it, even repair it some, but building one from scratch based on memory alone? I doubt that is possible. The society grew much like ours, it started out primitive, and over time technology developed. I'd say their sub-FTL ships are even superior to what we have now, so they did seem to be more advanced than us at least.
Not to mention they didn't really start from our level of technology. The second generation only had whatever technical knowledge was written down or learned from the original settlers. There's only so much they could have learned in the decades they had. So much would have been lost.
And even if they find the Novus ship, could we dock with it? It may not have been designed for docking with other things while in space.
Also, if this journey was hundreds of years long, they might all have been in stasis, so communicating and getting on the ship might have been difficult. (or it could have been a generational ship, I'm just guessing here).

I thought this was another great episode. I wasn't expecting more about the alternate crew, so I really enjoyed that aspect of this episode. Again this crew is finally feeling like a team, and not a bunch of bickering emos. It was good to see a lot of things cleared up that people were wondering about with the alt crew.
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Old April 26 2011, 10:38 AM   #14
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Old April 26 2011, 11:10 AM   #15
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Good episode, although weaker than last week due to its meandering nature and lack of any real conflict.

Lots of plot holes detract a bit from this alt-crew arc however.

1) No automated beacons or pockets of life left on the entire planet? That just seems silly.

2) They have a Stargate which already has FTL technology built into it, they should have easily developed a working FTL drive years ago.

3) The colony's split as already mentioned was stupid and arbitrary and ultimate irrelevant to anything(yet).

4) Varro is holding TJ's weight, and rocking his weight on the ladder, but it is only after he tosses her to the side that the ladder breaks?

I find it interesting that they gave TJ five more seasons without ALS symptoms taking it to SGUs 7th season if the show had survived. It was obviously an attempt to add pathos to her character.
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