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Old June 17 2014, 12:03 PM   #2461
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

So, at the end of this season, this episode in particular, we've a few differences from the books:

- Jojen is outright dead, as oppose to slowly dying;

- the Lannister brothers parted on good terms;

- the Hound appears to be more likely to die outright than in the books (it is presumably unlikely that Brienne will encounter him on the island of 'monks' in the same way as the books);

-Brienne won't be disfigured by Biter but has been injured by the Hound. Her mission to find the Stark sisters has taken a different path already;

- No Lady Stoneheart;

- Balon Greyjoy is still alive (but hardly mentioned, much less seen onscreen).
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Old June 17 2014, 01:24 PM   #2462
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Considering Alex Graves' comments on Lady Stoneheart, it's just as well he didn't direct an episode introducing her. Way to miss the point, dude. If GOT reduces the character to a shock-effect murderous zombie, that will be on the show, not the source material.
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Old June 17 2014, 02:53 PM   #2463
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To be fair, I think he's just talking about the broad strokes of the character. After all, he said they didn't talk about the character at all for this season and who knows whether or not he's read the books or not. In retrospect, I do agree with the notion that there wasn't room for the character in a season (and finale) that was packed with a lot of storylines and characters. Further, I agree with the io9 writer that it might be too early to introduce her considering there isn't much material to work with so far from the books in comparison to the pacing of other characters' storylines (granted we've pretty much caught up with Bran and Sansa at this point). It might not be possible to secure Michelle Fairley for on and off and might be suited for the show to include her in a more condensed manner later on down the road.

Incidentally, your link includes www.trekbbs.com in it.
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Old June 17 2014, 06:08 PM   #2464
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Apparently a couple audition videos for season five have leaked, revealing that Jaime and Bronn will go to Dorne and cross paths with the Sand Snakes. Which makes a certain kind of sense-- it stops the Dorne storyline from being entirely about new characters, and it keeps Jaime busy without getting into the "cleaning up the riverlands" plot from the books, which depends on characters and situations the show hasn't done much with. (Though I wouldn't rule out the show doing an abbreviated version of that eventually.)
A friend of mine visited the set today and as a result of what he saw, he thinks that this is correct.
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Old June 17 2014, 08:54 PM   #2465
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Winter is Coming is saying they have sources telling them that the role of Myrcella has been recast for the fifth season, with Nell Tiger Free (what a name!) replacing Aimee Richardson. They also pass on the following:

Our sources are telling us that Myrcella’s betrothal to Prince Trystane of Dorne will be played up in season five, with the princess falling in love with the handsome young prince. She’ll have a substantially increased, romantic role compared to her part in A Feast for Crows.
Edit to add: looks like the report of the recast is true based on some retweets Aimee Richardson has made (she's been very active on Twitter, interacting with fans and saying how much she's looking forward to returning to the show, so this is quite a blow for her):

IF MYRCELLA ISN'T @Aimee_P_R YOU WILL HEAR THE FANDOM HATING YOU EVEN MORE @HBO
I DEMAND WE CAST @Aimee_P_R WHEN WE MAKE OUR TRUE ADAPTATION OF THE BOOKS!!!! #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS #GAMEOFTHRONES
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Old June 17 2014, 09:27 PM   #2466
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I was thinking about next season and what could happen. With the changes they made, how it could play out for a few story lines. With Stannis at the wall, will they use Gilly's baby instead of Mance's? Will them want to use Gilly's baby be the cause for Sam to take Gilly & baby to his father? Will this also lead to Sam going to Bravos?
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Old June 18 2014, 05:56 PM   #2467
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To be fair, I think he's just talking about the broad strokes of the character. After all, he said they didn't talk about the character at all for this season and who knows whether or not he's read the books or not. In retrospect, I do agree with the notion that there wasn't room for the character in a season (and finale) that was packed with a lot of storylines and characters. Further, I agree with the io9 writer that it might be too early to introduce her considering there isn't much material to work with so far from the books in comparison to the pacing of other characters' storylines (granted we've pretty much caught up with Bran and Sansa at this point). It might not be possible to secure Michelle Fairley for on and off and might be suited for the show to include her in a more condensed manner later on down the road.
If he had left it at the logistical argument, I wouldn't have any issue. But there's an element of "it's just a shock plot twist" in his response that's pretty ironic given how often the show has gone for shock effect at the cost of nuances in the source material.

Anyway, new interview with Benioff and Weiss. Mostly the usual "next season will be awesome/we've talked to George but we have our own priorities/our job is, like, so complex" stuff, but they do confirm that they're still planning seven seasons total.
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Old June 18 2014, 07:52 PM   #2468
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Lady Stoneheart will probably be introduced in season five, but I didn't like that twist in the books - or at least I haven't liked it so far - and wouldn't mind at all if they cut it entirely from the show if that's possible.
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Old June 19 2014, 04:23 PM   #2469
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Battle of Meereen for S05E09? I can't imagine season five not including content from Winds of Winter.
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Old June 21 2014, 06:34 AM   #2470
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Battle of Meereen for S05E09? I can't imagine season five not including content from Winds of Winter.
I'd imagine a lot of people will be pissed if they do a double cliffhanger with no climax, like the book did.
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Old June 21 2014, 10:39 AM   #2471
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaannnd I'm out!

I really hate A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons. Martin should have done a flashforward at the end of A Storm of Swords. I'll see you guys two seasons from now.
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Old June 21 2014, 04:44 PM   #2472
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaannnd I'm out!

I really hate A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons. Martin should have done a flashforward at the end of A Storm of Swords. I'll see you guys two seasons from now.
They should be done with Feast and Dance by the end of the fifth season. There'll be a lot of streamlining, cutting, and reworking of the material.
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Old June 21 2014, 05:02 PM   #2473
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Are there any official statements to that effect, or is everyone just assuming?
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Old June 21 2014, 05:30 PM   #2474
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At this point it's an assumption, but one highly likely to be borne out given that there are official statements that they're currently aiming for seven seasons and there's no way to finish the show in seven seasons if they're still dealing with Feast and Dance beyond the fifth season. Plus, they've already burned through all of the published material for some of the characters and, while Feast and Dance together have a high page count, the pace slows way down. The show will require a faster narrative, with at least one, and perhaps more, of the climatic moments delayed to the start of the sixth book brought forward to cap off the season.

Even if the producers change their mind and expand the show to eight seasons it'll be to give more time to adapting Winds and the outline of the final book rather than to give more time to Feast and Dance.
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Old June 21 2014, 06:05 PM   #2475
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Is it possible that they could make the final events in the tv series BEFORE he writes the book at this point? And he would technically be writing a novelization then?
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