DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

JD · August 30 2011, 11:31 PM

I figured since the other thread was focused on the lead up to the comics, it might be a good idea to do a thread specifically for discussing the actual comics themselves. That way we don't have to worry about spoiling things for people who are waiting for trades or for other reasons.

Admiral Buzzkill · August 30 2011, 11:56 PM

Wait a minute - you mean there are people who really expect not to find out what happens in a monthly periodical until it's republished all together a year or two later? And they consider that it's a reasonable courtesy for other people to not discuss it in a timely fashion as it's published?

What a sense of entitlement that must require.

Oh, and Ozymandias materializes a fucking giant squid on top of New York City.

Professor Zoom · August 31 2011, 12:10 AM

Dennis wrote:

Wait a minute - you mean there are people who really expect not to find out what happens in a monthly periodical until it's republished all together a year or two later? And they consider that it's a reasonable courtesy for other people to not discuss it in a timely fashion as it's published?

What a sense of entitlement that must require.

Yeah... I sorta agree...

Oh, and Ozymandias materializes a fucking giant squid on top of New York City.

Sandman gets killed at the end. And comes back.

shivkala · August 31 2011, 01:15 AM

I am waiting for this weekend to go to the comic store and get three weeks worth of comics. I have to admit I am both excited and worried about this.

Admiral_Young · August 31 2011, 01:20 AM

^ I'm not worried about it. I've gone through a whole wide range of emotions since it was announced back in June lol. I'm not really excited either about tomorrow since the bulk of what I'll be focusing on doesn't come out until the 7th.

Turtletrekker · August 31 2011, 04:12 AM

First review of Justice League #1 is in!

CBR gives it... 3 out of 5 stars.

An excerpt...

Ultimately, this is an average comic that is undone by being the first issue of "Justice League." It's hard to keep from thinking that placing the origin story first was a big mistake, that this should have been the second story. Instead, open "Justice League" #1 with the new team already in place, and introduce the characters quickly and efficiently to the reader as we see what it's like to have them all working together and fighting bad guys. In other words, give the new audience that you're so desperately trying to entice a glimpse of what this book is about. Because instead, what we're getting isn't really a story about the Justice League, it's a story about Batman and Green Lantern's first meeting, plus a non-cyborg look at Cyborg's pre-hero life. It's not a bad script, but it's not enticing, and it's probably not what "Justice League" will be like on most months.

Admiral_Young · August 31 2011, 05:00 AM

According to Bleeding Cool Justice League #1 has sold out.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/...ue-1-sold-out/

Professor Zoom · August 31 2011, 05:37 AM

Turtletrekker wrote:

First review of Justice League #1 is in!

CBR gives it... 3 out of 5 stars.

An excerpt...

Ultimately, this is an average comic that is undone by being the first issue of "Justice League." It's hard to keep from thinking that placing the origin story first was a big mistake, that this should have been the second story. Instead, open "Justice League" #1 with the new team already in place, and introduce the characters quickly and efficiently to the reader as we see what it's like to have them all working together and fighting bad guys. In other words, give the new audience that you're so desperately trying to entice a glimpse of what this book is about. Because instead, what we're getting isn't really a story about the Justice League, it's a story about Batman and Green Lantern's first meeting, plus a non-cyborg look at Cyborg's pre-hero life. It's not a bad script, but it's not enticing, and it's probably not what "Justice League" will be like on most months.

So... an average book launches the rebo...relaunch. Huh.

And I still don't get the love for Cyborg...

theenglish · August 31 2011, 05:38 AM

Turtletrekker wrote:

First review of Justice League #1 is in!

CBR gives it... 3 out of 5 stars.

An excerpt...

Ultimately, this is an average comic that is undone by being the first issue of "Justice League." It's hard to keep from thinking that placing the origin story first was a big mistake, that this should have been the second story. Instead, open "Justice League" #1 with the new team already in place, and introduce the characters quickly and efficiently to the reader as we see what it's like to have them all working together and fighting bad guys. In other words, give the new audience that you're so desperately trying to entice a glimpse of what this book is about. Because instead, what we're getting isn't really a story about the Justice League, it's a story about Batman and Green Lantern's first meeting, plus a non-cyborg look at Cyborg's pre-hero life. It's not a bad script, but it's not enticing, and it's probably not what "Justice League" will be like on most months.

I'm not going to take this review to heart. The reviewer has set up a straw man and is criticizing what the reviewer thinks the book should have been about and not what it is about. (Now I didn't actually look at the rest of the review for fear of spoilers, mind you.)

Is DC drawing from Smallville by making Victor a contemporary of Superman and Aquaman rather than Robin and Wonder Girl?

JD · August 31 2011, 05:42 AM

Damn. Turns out Comixology is holding Justice League until 2:00PM Eastern Time tomarrow (or today for those who are past midnight).

Broccoli · August 31 2011, 06:13 AM

Dennis wrote:

Wait a minute - you mean there are people who really expect not to find out what happens in a monthly periodical until it's republished all together a year or two later? And they consider that it's a reasonable courtesy for other people to not discuss it in a timely fashion as it's published?

What a sense of entitlement that must require.

Yes. How dare JD show some curiosity in the internet!

Seriously though, I suppose it is the same sense of "entitlement" that people feel when "new episodes" or "movie review" threads are created separately from the countdown/pre-release threads so those who haven't seen the newest stuff won't be spoiled. How is that any different if people are waiting until the DVD release to view it?

I don't see what the big deal is.

Admiral_Young wrote:

According to Bleeding Cool Justice League #1 has sold out.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/...ue-1-sold-out/

I wonder, though, how many of JL #1 will be purchased in the stores and how many stores will use that return policy DC has now in place. I doubt it many will, but I wonder if DC/Diamond is jumping the gun a bit by reporting this.

Then again, by reporting this might get people who were on the fence about buying it to buy it thinking that it's a collectible and few will be remaining to get.

Edit: Here is an interesting article on comics that sell out. It probably won't relate to JL given the number of copies printed, but interesting nonetheless.

Turtletrekker · August 31 2011, 06:18 AM

In the lit forum there is usually a moratorium on un-coded spoilers for about a month for new books. That doesn't seem like a bad policy to have in this thread.

Admiral_Young · August 31 2011, 09:22 AM

I picked up both Flashpoint #5 and Justice League#1 and as to the latter, would have to agree with CBR's review of the book. It was better written than I thought it would be (I'm saying this as a big Johns fan) and Jim Lee is at his best. Justice League has more of a feeling of a team up book than us being introduced to the world's greatest heroes.

As for Flashpoint #5...man was this whole thing disappointing. The pay off comes at the end where Bruce and Barry share a nice little moment together. The transitional pages are pretty lame to me, oh and Thawne explains things in this issue. I think I'll be passing on picking up the hardcover when it comes out in Oct.

JoeZhang · August 31 2011, 09:27 AM

It is a very average comic, maybe a mythical new reader might get more out of this but for anyone who has been reading comics for a while there is nothing particularly new or interesting in here.

It's also got a real weird tone in that all of the characters are being set-up like it's an after-school special and so it feels like that

I'd say 3/5 would be about right.

Admiral_Young · August 31 2011, 09:36 AM

^ Yes. I agree it does have a weird tonal structure to it. I think that is one of the reasons why I didn't like it, I wanted to but didn't. 3/5 is more than a fair rating for this.

August 30 2011, 11:56 PM	#2
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Wait a minute - you mean there are people who really expect not to find out what happens in a monthly periodical until it's republished all together a year or two later? And they consider that it's a reasonable courtesy for other people to not discuss it in a timely fashion as it's published? What a sense of entitlement that must require. Oh, and Ozymandias materializes a fucking giant squid on top of New York City. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

August 31 2011, 01:15 AM	#4
shivkala Rear Admiral Location: Patrolling Sector 2814	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) I am waiting for this weekend to go to the comic store and get three weeks worth of comics. I have to admit I am both excited and worried about this. __________________ "When I reach for the edge of the universe, I do it knowing that along some paths of cosmic discovery, there are times when, at least for now, one must be content to love the questions themselves." --Neil deGrasse Tyson

August 31 2011, 05:00 AM	#7
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) According to Bleeding Cool Justice League #1 has sold out. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/...ue-1-sold-out/ __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 31 2011, 05:42 AM	#10
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Damn. Turns out Comixology is holding Justice League until 2:00PM Eastern Time tomarrow (or today for those who are past midnight). __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

August 31 2011, 06:18 AM	#12
Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Location: Tacoma, Washington	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) In the lit forum there is usually a moratorium on un-coded spoilers for about a month for new books. That doesn't seem like a bad policy to have in this thread. __________________ Coulson lives! Last edited by Turtletrekker; August 31 2011 at 09:59 AM.

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August 30 2011, 11:31 PM	#1
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) I figured since the other thread was focused on the lead up to the comics, it might be a good idea to do a thread specifically for discussing the actual comics themselves. That way we don't have to worry about spoiling things for people who are waiting for trades or for other reasons. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

August 31 2011, 01:20 AM	#5
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) ^ I'm not worried about it. I've gone through a whole wide range of emotions since it was announced back in June lol. I'm not really excited either about tomorrow since the bulk of what I'll be focusing on doesn't come out until the 7th. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 31 2011, 09:22 AM	#13
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) I picked up both Flashpoint #5 and Justice League#1 and as to the latter, would have to agree with CBR's review of the book. It was better written than I thought it would be (I'm saying this as a big Johns fan) and Jim Lee is at his best. Justice League has more of a feeling of a team up book than us being introduced to the world's greatest heroes. As for Flashpoint #5...man was this whole thing disappointing. The pay off comes at the end where Bruce and Barry share a nice little moment together. The transitional pages are pretty lame to me, oh and Thawne explains things in this issue. I think I'll be passing on picking up the hardcover when it comes out in Oct. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 31 2011, 09:27 AM	#14
JoeZhang Rear Admiral	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) It is a very average comic, maybe a mythical new reader might get more out of this but for anyone who has been reading comics for a while there is nothing particularly new or interesting in here. It's also got a real weird tone in that all of the characters are being set-up like it's an after-school special and so it feels like that at the end of the arc, Batman will learn the benefits of teamwork, Green Lantern will learn humility etc etc I'd say 3/5 would be about right.

August 31 2011, 09:36 AM	#15
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) ^ Yes. I agree it does have a weird tonal structure to it. I think that is one of the reasons why I didn't like it, I wanted to but didn't. 3/5 is more than a fair rating for this. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.