RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,155
Posts: 5,344,087
Members: 24,600
Currently online: 743
Newest member: Lord Galen

TrekToday headlines

New Funko Trek Figure
By: T'Bonz on Jul 21

Saldana As A Role Model
By: T'Bonz on Jul 21

San Diego Comic-Con Trek Fan Guide
By: T'Bonz on Jul 21

Cumberbatch As Turing
By: T'Bonz on Jul 21

Retro Review: In the Pale Moonlight
By: Michelle on Jul 19

Trek Beach Towel
By: T'Bonz on Jul 18

Two New Starships Collection Releases
By: T'Bonz on Jul 17

Giacchino Tour Arrives In North America
By: T'Bonz on Jul 17

IDW Publishing October Star Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Jul 16

Cho As Romantic Lead
By: T'Bonz on Jul 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Misc. Star Trek > Trek Literature

Trek Literature "...Good words. That's where ideas begin."

View Poll Results: Rate DTI: Watching The Clock
Outstanding 92 58.60%
Above Average 43 27.39%
Average 13 8.28%
Below Average 3 1.91%
Poor 6 3.82%
Voters: 157. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 7 2011, 05:58 AM   #361
vegaslover62
Lieutenant Commander
 
vegaslover62's Avatar
 
Location: 2112 Rivendell, Xanadu. In the Lakeside Park Subdivisions on the beautiful Bacchus Plateau
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

Sheesh, a simple yes or no will do, no need for attitude.
vegaslover62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 7 2011, 09:16 PM   #362
Lanny77
Lieutenant
 
Lanny77's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

I picked up a copy of this yesterday, and having now read it cover to cover, it's now one of my favorite pieces of literature. I especially love the dynamic between Garcia and Ranjea as well as minor characters like Elfiki and the Walter Bishop-esqe Professor Vard.

My one complaint though is the sheer complexity of some of the ideas trying to be conveyed. I understand temporal mechanics and time travel are pretty damn complex subjects but a little more.... simplification of some might have come in handy. I understand Christopher put a lot of work into researching the theories behind these but I found many idea ideas to be far too complex to even begin to wrapping my head around, making parts confusing and less enjoyable. I'm not asking for the theories to be sliced and diced simply for my benefit, but a few simple analogies every now and then would be far more effective at conveying some of these ideas
__________________
Look to the stars for hope burns bright

I am Lanny, Hear me muse!
read, fallow, enjoy
Lanny77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 7 2011, 09:31 PM   #363
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

vegaslover62 wrote: View Post
The Omni from "Voyagers" was basically a pocketwatch, not "a gauntlet and a headdress".
yeah, I momentarily forgot. Still it would have been nice, though extremely obscure, to get a Voyagers! shoutout.
__________________
In labor news: Longshoremen walked off the piers today. Rescue operations are continuing.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 9 2011, 06:55 PM   #364
Cybersnark
Lieutenant Commander
 
Location: Toronto
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

vegaslover62 wrote: View Post
Mr. Bennett, I was also wondering if the device might have had some reference to previous Trek I was unaware of. It wouldn't need to be "an ambiguous bit of set dressing" for that.
Clearly, it's a reference to something from a story that hasn't been written yet. When Christopher Bennett researches time-travel, he really does his homework.
__________________
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." --Oscar Wilde

Last edited by Cybersnark; July 9 2011 at 06:56 PM. Reason: typo
Cybersnark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 10 2011, 08:22 PM   #365
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

Christopher I finally have started DTI and once again sir I tip my hat to your skills as a writer. I'm loving the book so far. This will probably take me a couple days to get through but already I'm enthralled as I am with most of your novels.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13 2011, 06:57 PM   #366
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

Not sure why I can't edit my above post but anyways close to finishing this and I have to say this was well worth the wait and Christopher has managed to not disappoint me with any of his novels. The size and scope of this book is immense not to mention the content as mentioned before would probably be intimidating and slightly overwhelming to tackle for even the most well read people but I found the author's knack for writing scientific related material works exceptionally well in this book and at no time did I feel confused or intimidated by the material.

I loved the characters. The DTI it's self is a fascinating complex operations branch of the Federation. I also loved all the references as well (gonna have to check out the annotations). Christopher I don't know if you would be interested but I think you would be absolutely fantastic at writing a "Doctor Who" novel.

I eagerly await the Kirk era "origins" novel coming out next year. I suspect that if it's anywhere as good as this book was then I shan't be disappointed. Well done again sir.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 12:48 AM   #367
Jetfire
Guest
 
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

AY So would you recommend this to a friend?
  Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 01:15 AM   #368
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

I would indeed. It's pretty self contained so you really don't have to read anything else to be familiar with it. The main characters were introduced in the Deep Space Nine episode "Trials and Tribble-ations".
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 02:04 AM   #369
TiberiusMaximus
Fleet Captain
 
TiberiusMaximus's Avatar
 
Location: A ship, a living ship, full of strange alien lifeforms.
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

My Review:

I really enjoyed the overall concept and most of the character development in Watching The Clock. Dulmur and Luclsy were the highlight of the novel, in my opinion, and Luclsy's 'time-savant' nature was a very interesting way to make him a unique character. Now, Dulmur and Luclsy may deal with causality loops and paradoxes instead of murders and assaults, but they really are a police duo at heart, and the dynamic between them was natural, realistic, and entertaining.

I also loved the concept of the 'time-tunnel'...it could easily have become a deus ex machina by its very nature, but the way it was limited meant that the problems involved with it could not be hand-waved away, and the way the characters had to learn to deal with that was entertaining and interesting. I also enjoyed seeing the rivalry between the uptime and downtime factions, with Jena Noi and Juel Ducane and everyone else - and the mysterious Aegis really got my imagination flowing.

One part that was slightly annoying was that at times it seemed the story was bending over backwards to name drop notable Trek episodes involving time travel and to have every single time travel paradox/circumstance in the book take place at one point or another.

Also, the sexuality in the story was unnecessary and was actually jarring at times - the story was developing and timey-wimey things were happening and then out of nowhere, 'Time to be reminded that Ranjea's Deltan!' Five pages later 'Look, Ranjea's still Deltan! He's irresistible and sensual.' Five more pages and...well, you get the idea. Sure, he's Deltan...but that didn't need to be blatantly stated every five pages.

All in all, I give Watching The Clock 3 out of 5. Enjoyable story, cool concepts, decent execution. You are an excellent writer, Christopher, and I really enjoy reading your work.
__________________
"Quite possibly, the five Jem'Hadar could turn Data into a collection of four spasming limbs, one helpless torso, and one head that shouts insults at them like the Black Knight from the Monty Python sketch." -Timo Saloniemi
TiberiusMaximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 02:11 AM   #370
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

Thanks for the comments! I'm glad that the Lucsly-Dulmur pairing and the Axis of Time worked for you. I don't agree that the sexuality was "unnecessary"; if one is going to tell a story about a Deltan, it's something that pretty much needs to be included as integral to the character, just as you'd deal with logic when writing about a Vulcan or profit when writing about a Ferengi. And I'd say a focus on the Deltans is long overdue.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 02:38 AM   #371
TiberiusMaximus
Fleet Captain
 
TiberiusMaximus's Avatar
 
Location: A ship, a living ship, full of strange alien lifeforms.
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

It is your story...and that is a fair point, but it's really not a culture I'm interested in. Just my perspective...and my review wouldn't have been complete if I hadn't included the points I didn't enjoy. In any case, Dulmur and Luclsy are awesome and I would love to read more of them!
__________________
"Quite possibly, the five Jem'Hadar could turn Data into a collection of four spasming limbs, one helpless torso, and one head that shouts insults at them like the Black Knight from the Monty Python sketch." -Timo Saloniemi
TiberiusMaximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 03:58 AM   #372
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

TiberiusMaximus wrote: View Post
In any case, Dulmur and Luclsy are awesome and I would love to read more of them!
They will be seen in the frame story of Forgotten History, a novel about the origins of the DTI in the era of TOS/ST:TMP.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 04:29 PM   #373
captcalhoun
Admiral
 
Location: everywhere
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

finished this today after finally starting it Monday.

i love it. i love time travel stories anyway, but this is like christmases all at once. the Doctor Who quote made me like it straight away, but it got better and better.

MORE!

best Trek novel i've read this year (so far). sorry, David.
captcalhoun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2011, 11:18 PM   #374
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gallifrey
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

I'd go so far as to say that it's the best Trek novel I've read in the last couple of years. It's that good.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2011, 12:07 AM   #375
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: Star Trek: DTI: Watching The Clock Review Thread

^ Seconded!

I renew my call for an audiobook read by Jack Blessing and James Jansen.
__________________
In labor news: Longshoremen walked off the piers today. Rescue operations are continuing.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:19 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.