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View Poll Results: Rate DTI: Watching The Clock
Outstanding 93 58.49%
Above Average 44 27.67%
Average 13 8.18%
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Old May 28 2011, 01:34 AM   #226
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Finally finished it, and I can whole-heartedly agree that this is the best Trek book in years. After dismal 2010 and the first couple books in 2011, I was seriously starting to consider giving them up entirely. Thank goodness I didn't!

My fav thing about the book was the culmination of the Ranjea/Garcia storyline.



The only negative:

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Old May 28 2011, 02:34 AM   #227
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Okay, so I've got this pre-ordered from Amazon UK. Should arrive in about a month. Unfortunately, my Trek experience isn't quite as robust as I'd like it to be. I've seen all of Voyager, the majority of Enterprise, seasons 1 and 2 of DS9, a few episodes of TOS and TNG, and all the films. Without spoiling plot points, is there a list of specific episodes I should probably watch before reading?
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Old May 28 2011, 02:47 AM   #228
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Okay, so I've got this pre-ordered from Amazon UK. Should arrive in about a month. Unfortunately, my Trek experience isn't quite as robust as I'd like it to be. I've seen all of Voyager, the majority of Enterprise, seasons 1 and 2 of DS9, a few episodes of TOS and TNG, and all the films. Without spoiling plot points, is there a list of specific episodes I should probably watch before reading?
The only episode I'd say you might want to watch first is DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", only to get to see Dulmur and Lucsly yourself. But even that's only optional, it's such a well-written book that I think you could go into it completely blank and still have a great time with it.
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Old May 28 2011, 04:46 AM   #229
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Okay, so I've got this pre-ordered from Amazon UK. Should arrive in about a month. Unfortunately, my Trek experience isn't quite as robust as I'd like it to be. I've seen all of Voyager, the majority of Enterprise, seasons 1 and 2 of DS9, a few episodes of TOS and TNG, and all the films. Without spoiling plot points, is there a list of specific episodes I should probably watch before reading?
The only episode I'd say you might want to watch first is DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", only to get to see Dulmur and Lucsly yourself. But even that's only optional, it's such a well-written book that I think you could go into it completely blank and still have a great time with it.
Agreed.
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Old May 30 2011, 06:50 AM   #230
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Well, it's been a long time since I've posted here...almost 2 1/2 yrs and had to re-register...lol.

Anyways, I wanted to chime in and express my thoughts on Watching The Clock. Christopher, you said you wrote the book for people who weren't necessarily time travel fans. Well, I think you did one heck of a job because I was unable to tell. From what I had read, I perceived that you took the time to craft a tale that was unique to you. It had the mixture of science fiction with science fact, coupled with the nearly infinite headaches associate with time travel, and all in all, told an AMAZING Star Trek story. Great job!!!!!!

Now, I have a question regarding the story, and I was just wondering if there was a reason for it, or whether or not it was just overlooked because it was viewed as non-essential. Either way, it doesn't matter in the long run, but I just noticed it and thought it was odd, considering the ramifications of the spoiler below.



Again, Christopher, great job on a brilliant piece of fiction! And I enjoyed this being my first post back in a LOOOOONG time.
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Old May 30 2011, 01:24 PM   #231
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Anyways, I wanted to chime in and express my thoughts on Watching The Clock. Christopher, you said you wrote the book for people who weren't necessarily time travel fans. Well, I think you did one heck of a job because I was unable to tell. From what I had read, I perceived that you took the time to craft a tale that was unique to you. It had the mixture of science fiction with science fact, coupled with the nearly infinite headaches associate with time travel, and all in all, told an AMAZING Star Trek story. Great job!!!!!!
Thank you!

Now, I have a question regarding the story, and I was just wondering if there was a reason for it, or whether or not it was just overlooked because it was viewed as non-essential. Either way, it doesn't matter in the long run, but I just noticed it and thought it was odd, considering the ramifications of the spoiler below.

I'd actually forgotten that, but the flashback chapter in question takes place in 2373, so there's no way the characters could've known about what would happen in the Mirror Universe several years later. (And the DTI is interested in regulating all temporal technologies as a matter of course.)

Besides, there's no reason one can't tell stories about different incarnations of the same technological principle. Look at how many different alien time portals there have been in Trek.
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Old May 30 2011, 02:54 PM   #232
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^ Okay, well that makes more sense then. And yeah, I agree - so many species can have different variants of the same thing. So, it's all good.

Oh, and one more thing - I really enjoyed the flashback chapter where Lucsly confronted Janeway after her return home from the Delta Quadrant. I thought it was an amazingly well-written scene that did justice in the Trek literary universe, especially in recent years regarding the rather 'laissez-faire' approach the bureaucracy took in letting her off so easily despite the clear fact she violated multiple regulations all in the sake of 'getting home early'. I could easily see it from both points of view, and I found myself agreeing with Lucsly on this one because for me, what resonated was the idea that Lucsly was asking Janeway, "What right do YOU have to play God?" It gave the readers (at least this one), a better understanding of this character that you've described as a Joe Friday-esque persona, but behind it all is a man yearning for balance. I found Lucsly to be nothing but an act, and that act nearly came undone when he dealt with Janeway's seemingly arrogant position. It's a quintessential question, and it's been asked over and over and over again. Where does one draw the line between doing what's right, or doing what is perceived to be right? And, I love that many authors look at this theme as it's pertinent, even in our own lives.

So again, my thanks.
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Old May 30 2011, 05:11 PM   #233
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I could easily see it from both points of view, and I found myself agreeing with Lucsly on this one because for me, what resonated was the idea that Lucsly was asking Janeway, "What right do YOU have to play God?" It gave the readers (at least this one), a better understanding of this character that you've described as a Joe Friday-esque persona, but behind it all is a man yearning for balance. I found Lucsly to be nothing but an act, and that act nearly came undone when he dealt with Janeway's seemingly arrogant position.
I don't understand what you mean by "nothing but an act," or how his conduct in the Janeway interview was contrary to how he normally acted. Lucsly is a very simple, unaffected guy. He combines Phileas Fogg's compulsive need for regularity and precision with Joe Friday's passionate commitment to law and order. He needs the timeline to be pure and linear, and divergences from that dismay him. So someone willfully altering the timeline for personal gain pushes his berserk buttons. It's all part of the same persona. There's no act. Someone who craves precision as much as Lucsly would be very uncomfortable with deception. Keeping secrets, keeping things private, that he can do. He doesn't let people in, as a rule. But he doesn't deliberately put on a false front for other people either. He's not socially oriented enough to concern himself with how other people perceive him.
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Old May 30 2011, 05:28 PM   #234
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^ Christopher, maybe it's just me, but I guess I maybe misread the scene. When I read the novel, I read how you described Lucsly; he was everything you described him to be. However, I got to this particular part in the story, and maybe not so much his interview with Janeway, but his reaction afterwards as he's venting. For most, maybe it was just Lucsly being Lucsly, but I must have read too much into the scene and into the book...I felt it resonate with me a little bit differently than maybe it was supposed to. I read it and felt sad and sorrow for a man who (from my observation) nearly had his world fall apart, and feel absolutely abandoned and betrayed by people who he thought shared his same values. I guess because in my own way, I've been Lucsly at one time or another, it hit home for me, and I know how I respond to my own vulnerabilities...I guess instead of Lucsly in the scene, I put myself there instead, and I probably shouldn't have. I apologize if it came off as a presumptuous statement. I enjoyed the book, and maybe in its own way, the fact that one can sympathize and relate to the characters means you did one heck of a job.
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Old May 30 2011, 05:40 PM   #235
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^Okay, I'm confused. I thought you were talking about Lucsly's actual confrontation with Janeway, so that's the part I was addressing. But I think you must actually be talking about the later scenes
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Old May 30 2011, 07:56 PM   #236
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^ Yep. That sounds right. No, the confrontation itself was pretty routine and structured. I was referring to the later scenes.
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Old May 30 2011, 10:13 PM   #237
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If anyone here has a membership with Barnes & Noble.com, you might want to go write some reviews there. Right now the book only has 2 1/2 stars out of 5 with only 5 reviews.
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Old May 30 2011, 10:40 PM   #238
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^I'm afraid to look...
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Old May 31 2011, 08:57 AM   #239
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I voted the book outstanding. I do not know if it is the best ST book that I have read (and I have not read the Destiny ones), but it is certainly near the top.

Characterization was exceptionally good. Sometimes there was more telling than showing for temporal science; but, such was as it must be.

Perhaps I am sometimes a bit paranoid but I did have one questionable impression:



However, I was satisfied with the end of the book and it was clearly a complete work. Must examine the temporal science references some time at leisure. Thanks very much.
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Old May 31 2011, 08:59 AM   #240
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PS: I finished reading "Watching the Clock" by Christopher L. Bennett at about 2:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time on May 28, 2011 (a Saturday).
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