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Old April 5 2011, 02:52 PM   #1
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Pink skin

Why does Shran always call Archer and crew pink-skins? What about the humans of African descent who obviously aren't pink? Did Shran ever meet Travis?
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Old April 5 2011, 03:15 PM   #2
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Re: Pink skin

Obviously he calls Archer "Pink Skin" because Archer's skin is pink.

I don't remember Shran ever meeting Travis.

I do know that in the novels set after TATV, Shran does call Travis "Brown Skin." He also calls Vulcans "Grey Skins" and Orions "Green Skins."
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Old April 5 2011, 05:52 PM   #3
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Re: Pink skin

Admiral Shran wrote: View Post
Obviously he calls Archer "Pink Skin" because Archer's skin is pink.

I don't remember Shran ever meeting Travis.

I do know that in the novels set after TATV, Shran does call Travis "Brown Skin." He also calls Vulcans "Grey Skins" and Orions "Green Skins."
Travis had very little interaction with anybody -- including the crew -- so it's unlikely Shran would have had occasion to call him anything. Apparently Shran also didn't converse much with Hoshi, since she clearly doesn't have pink skin either.
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Old April 5 2011, 06:13 PM   #4
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Re: Pink skin

Even Hoshi and Travis have skin that's far more 'pink' than Shran's. Also, it seems it's Shran's specific nickname for Archer, since he's probably the first human Shran ever met.
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Old April 5 2011, 06:57 PM   #5
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Re: Pink skin

Humans all look the same to Andorians.
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Old April 5 2011, 06:59 PM   #6
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Re: Pink skin

Obviously the writers weren't going to have Shran call people "white skin," "black skin," or "yellow skin" because some viewer out there would inevitably complain about it being racist. Nobody is going to find "pink skin" racist.

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Humans all look the same to Andorians.
Hey, that's racist!
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Old April 5 2011, 10:59 PM   #7
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Re: Pink skin

Who's this Travis person?
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Old April 6 2011, 03:15 AM   #8
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Re: Pink skin

Dukhat wrote: View Post
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Humans all look the same to Andorians.
Hey, that's racist!
Actually, that's speciest! (T'pol used that word once I think.)
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Old April 6 2011, 08:22 AM   #9
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Re: Pink skin

In one of the books he stops mid phrase when talking to Travis.
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Old April 6 2011, 11:46 PM   #10
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Re: Pink skin

Probably because, to Shran's eye, even brown or beige skin has pink undertones. If I get a scrape that removes the top layer or so of brown skin, the wound will be pink. Just look at any black person who has vitiligo, the skin condition that Michael Jackson had.
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Old April 15 2011, 09:07 PM   #11
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Re: Pink skin

Bob Karo wrote: View Post
Who's this Travis person?
I'm wondering this too. Was he one of the minor reoccuring MACO characters or something?
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Old April 15 2011, 11:02 PM   #12
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Re: Pink skin

Dukhat wrote: View Post
Obviously the writers weren't going to have Shran call people "white skin," "black skin," or "yellow skin" because some viewer out there would inevitably complain about it being racist. Nobody is going to find "pink skin" racist.
At risk of becoming that viewer, it would be kind of weird to have Shran call people white and black without having any knowledge of human racial divides, since people aren't really literally white or black, they're more pink or brown. Shran's just saying what he sees. Which does not include Travis.
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Old April 16 2011, 01:34 AM   #13
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Re: Pink skin

What colour are Andorians?

I bet you answered "blue", even though they come in white (Aenar) and green (TNG, TATV) as well.

"Pinkskin" is the same deal.
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Old April 16 2011, 02:22 AM   #14
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Re: Pink skin

Bob Karo wrote: View Post
Who's this Travis person?
He's like the person on TNG that sits next to Data on the bridge and has few or no lines of dialog in a episode.
You can't even call him a secondary character because even secondary characters like Shran or Soval had more lines than Travis.
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Old April 18 2011, 08:29 PM   #15
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Re: Pink skin

Admiral Shran wrote: View Post
Obviously he calls Archer "Pink Skin" because Archer's skin is pink.

I don't remember Shran ever meeting Travis.

I do know that in the novels set after TATV, Shran does call Travis "Brown Skin." He also calls Vulcans "Grey Skins" and Orions "Green Skins."
Im surprised they had him say this in the book in case it offended anyone. It did seem like a nickname just for Archer. It was meant as an nsult like "pointy ears" as people often reffered to the Vulcans as.
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