Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 - Page 16

137th Gebirg · June 27 2011, 03:59 PM

This one is definitely better than K'Teremny. I was never a big fan of it either, particularly since it looked like someone squashed a K'T'inga between two doomsday planet killers. Although I do see inspiration in some of the lines on this ship.

Cary L. Brown · June 27 2011, 07:34 PM

I dunno... having seen a fully-3D version of the K'Teremmy, I've always thought it looked pretty slick. Similar enough to be a family, but different enough to serve a unique role.

The first time I saw the K'Teremny was in the "magazine" called "Starship Design." I know it's not available for sale anymore, but a quick web search turned this up...

http://www.4shared.com/file/14073854...ne__2280_.html

This was published back in 1987 by Todd Guenther. As far as I know, this is the original source of the K'Teremny. There's some "fun" background info on that ship here. There's also quite a bit of other info on other ships.

Realize that this is the material which was coming out shortly after TWOK had been released... there was no TNG, or anything else... ONLY TOS and the first couple of TOS-related flicks.

137th Gebirg · June 27 2011, 07:51 PM

Interesting. Never seen a CG render of the K'Teremmy. I guess it's possible that it could look better as a fully realized vehicle in real space than a flat 5-view ortho.

JES · June 28 2011, 04:30 PM

I've always had a soft spot for the K'teremny. I'm with Cary, in that I've always liked it's sleek, lower profile. Sort of like a sportier version of the K'tinga, or the performance model for the Klingon fleet. And the fact that it has more disruptor turrets than the K'tinga certainly gives it a cool factor, considering that I like lotsa gunz, if that makes any sense.

The only thing I don't like about it is the way those nacelles are mounted. I think that they would have looked better mounted to the side of the wings, instead of below. It looks kinda odd from the top profile.

And you can see the rest of those blueprints Cary linked to over here, with greater apparent ease.

publiusr · July 2 2011, 09:13 PM

Some other designs Klingon
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31486
Romulan build up
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31353
Fed bridge
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31411

REL · July 22 2011, 11:39 PM

I'm working on the ortho views and schematics now.

Albertese · July 23 2011, 01:42 AM

You're the best!

--Alex

Bernard Guignard · July 23 2011, 11:44 AM

REL wrote:

I'm working on the ortho views and schematics now.

Great looking forward to seeing the schematics great work on the model by the way

TheSeeker · July 23 2011, 03:33 PM

If there are Klingons in the next movie J.J. seriously needs to hire you.

publiusr · July 24 2011, 10:03 PM

Seconded. Great drawings.

Maurice · August 11 2011, 08:57 AM

Sorry to bump this, but some posts back there was some back and forth over the actual color of the Klingon Battlecruiser model on TOS. I today again stumbled across a behind-the-scenes photo of the model on the shooting stage (taken from this site).

To my eye there are three colors on this model. A pale purple/lavender color, a darker purplish color on the upper surfaces, and a lighter color on the underbelly.

EDIT BECAUSE TREKBBS CLOSED FOR MAINTENANCE BEFORE I COULD FINISH THE POST

I took the image above and pumped the saturation and noticed right off there is a light greenish color on the inboard side of the nacelle and its supporting strut, and appears to be a tinge of it on the underside of the forward hull. This could either be lighting or an airbrushed greenish cast applied to the "belly" of the model. Could this be lighting? Maybe, but it's coming from an odd direction to apply as much green as it does to surfaces otherwise in shadow. In fact, you'd have to use the palest gel imaginable on a very low watt light to get such a subtle effect, and probably even bounce it off a card to get it to be so soft.

Then there's this picture of Jefferies with one of the models in which it's pretty darned apparent that the upper fuselage of the bulk of the ship is painted a darker shade than the forward 3/4 of the neck and the forward hull. The nacelles are also clearly a lighter shade. This isn't lighting, it's paint. The question remains, is it chromatic paint or achromatic?

None of this is conclusive, but are interesting data points nevertheless.

Ar-Pharazon · August 11 2011, 10:01 AM

^ The purple color in that photo could be due to lighting.

I always thought it was more of a straight gray.

Patrickivan · August 11 2011, 02:56 PM

DS9Sega wrote:

Sorry to bump this, but some posts back there was some back and forth over the actual color of the Klingon Battlecruiser model on TOS. I today again stumbled across a behind-the-scenes photo of the model on the shooting stage (taken from this site).

To my eye there are three colors on this model. A pale purple/lavender color, a darker purplish color on the upper surfaces, and a lighter color on the underbelly.

EDIT BECAUSE TREKBBS CLOSED FOR MAINTENANCE BEFORE I COULD FINISH THE POST

I took the image above and pumped the saturation and noticed right off there is a light greenish color on the inboard side of the nacelle and its supporting strut, and appears to be a tinge of it on the underside of the forward hull. This could either be lighting or an airbrushed greenish cast applied to the "belly" of the model. Could this be lighting? Maybe, but it's coming from an odd direction to apply as much green as it does to surfaces otherwise in shadow. In fact, you'd have to use the palest gel imaginable on a very low watt light to get such a subtle effect, and probably even bounce it off a card to get it to be so soft.

Then there's this picture of Jefferies with one of the models in which it's pretty darned apparent that the upper fuselage of the bulk of the ship is painted a darker shade than the forward 3/4 of the neck and the forward hull. The nacelles are also clearly a lighter shade. This isn't lighting, it's paint. The question remains, is it chromatic paint or achromatic?

None of this is conclusive, but are interesting data points nevertheless.

It's just lighting, dude... Grey with lighting.

This ship is actually toyota blue. But the lighting here is making it greenish.

I've got a few others taken under red and green lighting, but I can't find them. Somewhere in the forum here.

Ah- here they are. So the above was under a mix of tungsten and white light.

The bellow is a mix of green, blue, and white lighting.

Maurice · August 11 2011, 08:01 PM

DS9Sega wrote:

Cary L. Brown wrote:

By the way, I found an interesting article on the original model that confirms it was painted in purple and green. I guess you really can't argue with RGB values.

To be clear, the article cited says the original model built for the show, "was actually a striking purple-blue and light green." And then, "[Round 2's] approach was to paint the ship a more overall grey while maintaining a hint of original purple and green. That way, everyone should be able to relate to it. I also weathered it to make the model more appealing, even though the originals were not weathered."

I'm merely putting data points out there, and ones that in this case happen to reflect the article quoted above. I did say the color could be lighting, but just raised why I thought that might not be the case. The fact is there are sources that say the model was not gray, and I'm just trying to figure out if they are or are not correct.

Ensign Ro- · August 12 2011, 02:52 AM

Models were often painted odd colors to obtain the desired color under specific lighting conditions. Many times it was just easier to paint a model one color and cover the lights with gels to obtain the color desired by the director and/or production designer. Example: The Vulcan shuttle seen in TMP...the model was actually a light lilac...but under the lighting used, it appeared the sandy-brown color seen in the film.

June 27 2011, 03:59 PM	#226
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 This one is definitely better than K'Teremny. I was never a big fan of it either, particularly since it looked like someone squashed a K'T'inga between two doomsday planet killers. Although I do see inspiration in some of the lines on this ship. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

June 27 2011, 07:34 PM	#227
Cary L. Brown Rear Admiral Location: Austin, Texas	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I dunno... having seen a fully-3D version of the K'Teremmy, I've always thought it looked pretty slick. Similar enough to be a family, but different enough to serve a unique role. The first time I saw the K'Teremny was in the "magazine" called "Starship Design." I know it's not available for sale anymore, but a quick web search turned this up... http://www.4shared.com/file/14073854...ne__2280_.html This was published back in 1987 by Todd Guenther. As far as I know, this is the original source of the K'Teremny. There's some "fun" background info on that ship here. There's also quite a bit of other info on other ships. Realize that this is the material which was coming out shortly after TWOK had been released... there was no TNG, or anything else... ONLY TOS and the first couple of TOS-related flicks.

June 27 2011, 07:51 PM	#228
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Interesting. Never seen a CG render of the K'Teremmy. I guess it's possible that it could look better as a fully realized vehicle in real space than a flat 5-view ortho. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

June 28 2011, 04:30 PM	#229
JES Captain Location: Ocoee, Florida	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I've always had a soft spot for the K'teremny. I'm with Cary, in that I've always liked it's sleek, lower profile. Sort of like a sportier version of the K'tinga, or the performance model for the Klingon fleet. And the fact that it has more disruptor turrets than the K'tinga certainly gives it a cool factor, considering that I like lotsa gunz, if that makes any sense. The only thing I don't like about it is the way those nacelles are mounted. I think that they would have looked better mounted to the side of the wings, instead of below. It looks kinda odd from the top profile. And you can see the rest of those blueprints Cary linked to over here, with greater apparent ease. Last edited by JES; June 28 2011 at 04:35 PM. Reason: Wanted to show something

July 2 2011, 09:13 PM	#230
publiusr Fleet Captain	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Some other designs Klingon http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31486 Romulan build up http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31353 Fed bridge http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=31411

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July 22 2011, 11:39 PM	#231
REL Commander	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I'm working on the ortho views and schematics now.

July 23 2011, 01:42 AM	#232
Albertese Fleet Captain Location: Portland, OR	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 You're the best! --Alex __________________ Check out my website: www.goldtoothstudio.squarespace.com

July 23 2011, 03:33 PM	#234
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 If there are Klingons in the next movie J.J. seriously needs to hire you.

July 24 2011, 10:03 PM	#235
publiusr Fleet Captain	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Seconded. Great drawings.

August 11 2011, 08:57 AM	#236
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Sorry to bump this, but some posts back there was some back and forth over the actual color of the Klingon Battlecruiser model on TOS. I today again stumbled across a behind-the-scenes photo of the model on the shooting stage (taken from this site). To my eye there are three colors on this model. A pale purple/lavender color, a darker purplish color on the upper surfaces, and a lighter color on the underbelly. EDIT BECAUSE TREKBBS CLOSED FOR MAINTENANCE BEFORE I COULD FINISH THE POST I took the image above and pumped the saturation and noticed right off there is a light greenish color on the inboard side of the nacelle and its supporting strut, and appears to be a tinge of it on the underside of the forward hull. This could either be lighting or an airbrushed greenish cast applied to the "belly" of the model. Could this be lighting? Maybe, but it's coming from an odd direction to apply as much green as it does to surfaces otherwise in shadow. In fact, you'd have to use the palest gel imaginable on a very low watt light to get such a subtle effect, and probably even bounce it off a card to get it to be so soft. Then there's this picture of Jefferies with one of the models in which it's pretty darned apparent that the upper fuselage of the bulk of the ship is painted a darker shade than the forward 3/4 of the neck and the forward hull. The nacelles are also clearly a lighter shade. This isn't lighting, it's paint. The question remains, is it chromatic paint or achromatic? None of this is conclusive, but are interesting data points nevertheless. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970" Last edited by Maurice Navidad; August 11 2011 at 11:05 AM.

August 11 2011, 10:01 AM	#237
Ar-Pharazon Admiral of the Rear	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 ^ The purple color in that photo could be due to lighting. I always thought it was more of a straight gray. __________________ Rimmer, on what period of history to live in- “Well, It’d be the 19th century for me, one of Napoleon’s marshals. The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general of all time and kill Belgians” - (White Hole).

August 12 2011, 02:52 AM	#240
Ensign Ro- Commander Location: Maine, USA	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Models were often painted odd colors to obtain the desired color under specific lighting conditions. Many times it was just easier to paint a model one color and cover the lights with gels to obtain the color desired by the director and/or production designer. Example: The Vulcan shuttle seen in TMP...the model was actually a light lilac...but under the lighting used, it appeared the sandy-brown color seen in the film.