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Old June 21 2011, 02:47 AM   #181
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Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7

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I've always wondered, if Klingons love the color red so much(look at their computers, lighting etc), why are their ships green?
I wonder what their ships would look like in bronze . . . take the color of their disruptor pistols for example
Well, what we saw in TOS wasn't a green ship, and what we saw in TMP wasn't a green ship... both were a nice, steel-looking grey tone.

Okay, the MODELS may have been painted with a hint of green, but the models are there to look right on-screen.

It's sort of like how actors and TV personalities wear makeup when being filmed. They do this to look "normal" on-screen, because if they didn't wear it they'd look odd. But if you see them in-person, under normal lighting, with that makeup on, well... it's pretty creepy.

The "green tint" from TOS and TMP was sort of like that, as far as I'm concerned.

However, we did get nice olive-drab ships with ST-III and on. Well, the BOP makes sense, since it's a landable craft... maybe this was intended to be a form of camouflage (in combo with the cloak)?

But there's another potential answer. Maybe Klingon eyes don't work quite like our eyes do? Maybe what looks odd to us is what's natural to them... and they feel the same way in a "human-friendly" environment as we would in theirs.

I know this isn't exactly what we've seen on-screen... but imagine that the Klingon sun were red, rather than "pale yellow" as ours is. You'd fully expect that their eyes would be most responsive in the red range. They might even have that as the CENTER of their visual range, and the higher frequencies which we see might not even be in their visual range at all!

Now... if you look at it that way... shift our visual spectrum so "red" is roughly where yellow is now... you'd basically have slightly yellow (but mostly "white") lights, with a black hull, as the Klingon eye would perceive it.

Just a thought...
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Old June 21 2011, 07:05 AM   #182
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Old June 21 2011, 11:25 AM   #183
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Gorgeous!

The green colors are perfect.
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Old June 21 2011, 01:41 PM   #184
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Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7

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I've always wondered, if Klingons love the color red so much(look at their computers, lighting etc), why are their ships green?
I wonder what their ships would look like in bronze . . . take the color of their disruptor pistols for example
Well, what we saw in TOS wasn't a green ship, and what we saw in TMP wasn't a green ship... both were a nice, steel-looking grey tone.

Okay, the MODELS may have been painted with a hint of green, but the models are there to look right on-screen.

It's sort of like how actors and TV personalities wear makeup when being filmed. They do this to look "normal" on-screen, because if they didn't wear it they'd look odd. But if you see them in-person, under normal lighting, with that makeup on, well... it's pretty creepy.

The "green tint" from TOS and TMP was sort of like that, as far as I'm concerned.

However, we did get nice olive-drab ships with ST-III and on. Well, the BOP makes sense, since it's a landable craft... maybe this was intended to be a form of camouflage (in combo with the cloak)?

But there's another potential answer. Maybe Klingon eyes don't work quite like our eyes do? Maybe what looks odd to us is what's natural to them... and they feel the same way in a "human-friendly" environment as we would in theirs.

I know this isn't exactly what we've seen on-screen... but imagine that the Klingon sun were red, rather than "pale yellow" as ours is. You'd fully expect that their eyes would be most responsive in the red range. They might even have that as the CENTER of their visual range, and the higher frequencies which we see might not even be in their visual range at all!

Now... if you look at it that way... shift our visual spectrum so "red" is roughly where yellow is now... you'd basically have slightly yellow (but mostly "white") lights, with a black hull, as the Klingon eye would perceive it.

Just a thought...
and it just occurred to me that bronze turns green when oxidized
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Old June 21 2011, 03:29 PM   #185
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Man that turned out awesome! You really need to get that crated and shipped to me asap.
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Old June 22 2011, 12:03 AM   #186
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You know, a thought occurred to me early in this thread and I decided to keep my mouth shut and see how things unfolded. But now that this is done, I really think that the forward section which would have been more spherical (i.e. with an undercut) that the original D-7 has looks better than the flattened "hemispherical" structure on this version. Since it hangs down farther it makes the forward end look more substantial from a wider range of angles than this this ship, which from many top angles appears to have a very flat forward end. This does lend itself to more of a Vor'cha feel, but I dunno, I'm glad the original D-7 is still out there...somewhere...

Don't get me wrong, I love this model. I'd like to see some "action" shots of it and maybe some ortho drawings?

Tremendous work!

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Old June 22 2011, 12:12 AM   #187
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REL, I wish I had one-quarter of your modelling talent.
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Old June 22 2011, 01:12 AM   #188
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Hell, I'd be happy with even a mere sixteenth.
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Old June 22 2011, 01:21 AM   #189
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Uhhh... Was Deanna Troi at the helm on the next-to-last shot?

Beautiful work, all in all.

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Old June 22 2011, 01:35 AM   #190
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Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7

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Well, what we saw in TOS wasn't a green ship, and what we saw in TMP wasn't a green ship... both were a nice, steel-looking grey tone.




Somewhere I have a photo of one of the models AMT built and in that photo you can see that the ship is actually painted in kind of a very pale lavender and a sorta of sea green. Those colors are pretty consistent with what's seen in these Ellan of Troyius screenshots. In other cases the ship appeared rather greenish, as below...



...but I can't remember this ship ever looking gray on TOS.
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Old June 22 2011, 02:53 AM   #191
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Hell, I'd be happy with even a mere sixteenth.
I stand corrected.
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Old June 22 2011, 02:55 AM   #192
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Well, what we saw in TOS wasn't a green ship, and what we saw in TMP wasn't a green ship... both were a nice, steel-looking grey tone.




Somewhere I have a photo of one of the models AMT built and in that photo you can see that the ship is actually painted in kind of a very pale lavender and a sorta of sea green. Those colors are pretty consistent with what's seen in these Ellan of Troyius screenshots. In other cases the ship appeared rather greenish, as below...



...but I can't remember this ship ever looking gray on TOS.
As with beauty, I think it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Some see Starfleet ships as being a light blue, others see it as silver...
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Old June 22 2011, 08:10 AM   #193
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^^^You can't argue with RGB values.
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Old June 22 2011, 12:16 PM   #194
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You know, in-universe it looks kinda like a contemporary to the Excelsior-class (or possibly Ambassador-class, since apparently Klingon ship designs evolve at a much slower rate than their Federation equivalents).

Love the latest paint scheme, by the way.
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Old June 22 2011, 12:41 PM   #195
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^^^You can't argue with RGB values.
I can see how people assume a gray model when the colors look like they're the result of a teal light from the underside and a lavender light coming from above.
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