Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 - Page 11

junxon · June 17 2011, 02:42 PM

would be perfect (to me) if those back top engine-thingys werent red.

very very awesome!

SonicRanger · June 17 2011, 05:09 PM

I like it -- the various planes that have served as Air Force One have had similar, distinctive paint schemes, so this makes sense.

sojourner · June 17 2011, 06:25 PM

Maybe it's the famed D7c "Doomslayer" from SFB.

Cary L. Brown · June 17 2011, 07:31 PM

Herkimer Jitty wrote:

We don't need to burn him, per se.

Witches burn, so they're probably made of wood or something. We could build a chair out of him, or mayhaps some charming folk art.

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them!
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches!
Peasant 2: Wood!
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her!
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah...
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly! So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

Kaiser · June 17 2011, 07:52 PM

REL wrote:

Thanks for the great suggestions. My original idea was to make this ship just a ship of the line, a common destroyer or something. But I decided to make it a flagship instead. Here's what I have so far on the colors. I wanted the base color to be reminiscent of the original D7 paint.

Beautiful

Albertese · June 17 2011, 08:55 PM

Cary L. Brown wrote:

Herkimer Jitty wrote:

We don't need to burn him, per se.

Witches burn, so they're probably made of wood or something. We could build a chair out of him, or mayhaps some charming folk art.

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them!
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches!
Peasant 2: Wood!
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her!
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah...
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly! So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

If I may be so bold. Bedevere was knighted at the end of this scene so he would not properly be referred to as "sir" only this far into the screenplay.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

--Alex

sojourner · June 17 2011, 09:14 PM

Akiraprise · June 17 2011, 09:33 PM

This model is awesome. Nice job on it.

I'll echo what Venardhi said and maybe tone down the reds a bit. But otherwise it's slick looking.

REL · June 17 2011, 09:49 PM

The reds aren't that bright, they're just showing up that way on camera for some reason.

Maurice · June 17 2011, 10:05 PM

Personally, I'm not loving the red. It's distracting me from the lines of the ship and superimposing other silhouettes upon it.

REL · June 17 2011, 10:15 PM

I'm going to tone down the red, and paint the top engines dark gray. I don't want to lose the red completely though. I'll be back in 1 hour.

REL · June 17 2011, 10:53 PM

Ok I toned down the reds a little, and got rid of the red engines on top.

Venardhi · June 17 2011, 11:14 PM

That is a definite improvement, but I think you can still do better with the use of the red rather than using the paint bucket on the most convenient panels. If I get some time this weekend would you mind if I take my photoshop to it for a few suggestions?

Cary L. Brown · June 18 2011, 12:19 AM

I have to agree... I really loved this when it was monochromatic... but once the over-emphasized panel accents were in place, it really ruined the effect for me.

SUBTLE is better. The TMP Klingon ship worked, because it was very, very subtle. Qo'nos 1 was okay, as well, because it was subtle. The TMP 1701 was subtle... you get the idea.

Go with big, bold coloring, and it doesn't look like a ship anymore, it looks like a toy.

Remember... color variation is less detectable by the human eye the further away from your viewing object you are. So, you model "scale" in part by making colors as similar as possible while still maintaining detail.

REL · June 18 2011, 12:48 AM

I'm not liking the red either, I'm thinking of going with the subtle pattern too. Slightly different shades of grey and green. I still want to keep the light green/gray base coat though as an homage to the original D7 and not the darker green of the K'tinga.

June 17 2011, 02:42 PM	#151
junxon Fleet Captain Location: I'm a Romulan now. Romulans are cool	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 would be perfect (to me) if those back top engine-thingys werent red. very very awesome! __________________ I'm your Venus, I'm your fire, At your desire, Captain. - Mr Spock Hello to Jason Isaacs!

June 17 2011, 05:09 PM	#152
SonicRanger Rear Admiral Location: Sheffield, England	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I like it -- the various planes that have served as Air Force One have had similar, distinctive paint schemes, so this makes sense. __________________ "STAR TREK is... Action - Adventure - Science Fiction." -- Gene Roddenberry, 1964, top of the first page of his original pitch and outline for Star Trek

June 17 2011, 06:25 PM	#153
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Maybe it's the famed D7c "Doomslayer" from SFB. __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...

June 17 2011, 09:14 PM	#157
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 <slaps Albertese with a fish> __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...

June 17 2011, 09:33 PM	#158
Akiraprise Moderator	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 This model is awesome. Nice job on it. I'll echo what Venardhi said and maybe tone down the reds a bit. But otherwise it's slick looking. __________________ MCCOY: You know, back home we got a saying, "If you're gonna ride in the Kentucky Derby, you don't leave your prize stallion in the stable." SPOCK: A curious metaphor, Doctor, as a stallion must first be broken before it can reach its potential. MCCOY: Green-blooded hobgoblin.

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June 17 2011, 09:49 PM	#159
REL Commander	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 The reds aren't that bright, they're just showing up that way on camera for some reason.

June 17 2011, 10:05 PM	#160
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Personally, I'm not loving the red. It's distracting me from the lines of the ship and superimposing other silhouettes upon it. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

June 17 2011, 10:15 PM	#161
REL Commander	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I'm going to tone down the red, and paint the top engines dark gray. I don't want to lose the red completely though. I'll be back in 1 hour.

June 17 2011, 10:53 PM	#162
REL Commander	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 Ok I toned down the reds a little, and got rid of the red engines on top.

June 17 2011, 11:14 PM	#163
Venardhi Vice Admiral Location: Constant transit	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 That is a definite improvement, but I think you can still do better with the use of the red rather than using the paint bucket on the most convenient panels. If I get some time this weekend would you mind if I take my photoshop to it for a few suggestions? __________________ "There is no reason why good cannot triumph as often as evil. The triumph of anything is a matter of organization. If there are such things as angels, I hope that they are organized along the lines of the Maffia." - Winston Niles Rumfoord.

June 18 2011, 12:19 AM	#164
Cary L. Brown Rear Admiral Location: Austin, Texas	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I have to agree... I really loved this when it was monochromatic... but once the over-emphasized panel accents were in place, it really ruined the effect for me. SUBTLE is better. The TMP Klingon ship worked, because it was very, very subtle. Qo'nos 1 was okay, as well, because it was subtle. The TMP 1701 was subtle... you get the idea. Go with big, bold coloring, and it doesn't look like a ship anymore, it looks like a toy. Remember... color variation is less detectable by the human eye the further away from your viewing object you are. So, you model "scale" in part by making colors as similar as possible while still maintaining detail.

June 18 2011, 12:48 AM	#165
REL Commander	Re: Re-Imagined K'tinga/D7 I'm not liking the red either, I'm thinking of going with the subtle pattern too. Slightly different shades of grey and green. I still want to keep the light green/gray base coat though as an homage to the original D7 and not the darker green of the K'tinga.