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View Poll Results: Rate Savage Trade.
Outstanding 0 0%
Above Average 6 27.27%
Average 9 40.91%
Below Average 5 22.73%
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Old February 14 2015, 02:40 PM   #1
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TOS: Savage Trade by Tony Daniel Review Thread (Spoilers!)


Almost exactly one year after his debut effort Devil's Bargain hit the shelves, Tony Daniel's second book Savage Trade is set to follow. This one is a bit hard to get a handle on - the blurb only offers the familiar premise of the Enterprise happening upon the mystery of a deserted space (then again, I personally have a thing for those). Street date: Feb 24th.

Said blurb:

An all-new Star Trek: Original Series novel from noted sci-fi author Tony Daniel, featuring James T. Kirk, Spock, and the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise!

The U.S.S. Enterprise under the command of Captain James T. Kirk is en route to the extreme edge of the Alpha Quadrant, and to a region known as the Vara Nebula. Its mission: to investigate why science outpost Zeta Gibraltar is not answering all Federation hailing messages. When the Enterprise arrives, a scan shows no life forms in the science station. Kirk leads a landing party and quickly discovers the reason for the strange silence—signs of a violent firefight are everywhere. Zeta Gibraltar has been completely raided. Yet there are no bodies and the entire roster of station personnel is missing…
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Old February 14 2015, 09:55 PM   #2
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Waiting for my copy to ship...
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Old February 14 2015, 10:56 PM   #3
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Yeah, definitely looking forward to this one. Really enjoyed Devil's Bargain.
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Old February 20 2015, 03:35 AM   #4
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I just picked up my copy at Coles this afternoon (it wasn't on the shelf, I checked, but I had pre-ordered it so it was behind the counter). I don't know when I'll get around to it, just like I haven't read his first book yet.
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Old February 21 2015, 02:43 PM   #5
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I'm waiting for Savage Trade to come in th mail soon.
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Old February 21 2015, 08:10 PM   #6
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For some reason mine may not ship until March 1st.
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Old February 24 2015, 04:56 AM   #7
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Re: TOS: Savage Trade by Tony Daniel Review Thread (Spoilers!)

It's a weird feeling to get to the end of a book and to not have any idea whether you actually liked it or not...

I'm leaning towards "average", but there were enough things in the book that I actively disliked that I might end up at "below average". Will have to ruminate a bit.

One thing that really jumped out at me, and I know I have mentioned this with other books and authors before, but... there was a lot of repetition. It seemed to happen rather frequently that something was revealed, and then a few pages would go by, and it was "revealed" again. It almost seemed like it was being written for an audience with memory issues or something. Which I admit I have, but generally on a longer scale than that...
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Old February 24 2015, 07:25 PM   #8
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Is "excessive" repetition a modern writing technique in Trek novels?
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Old February 25 2015, 02:17 AM   #9
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Picked this up on the way home from work this afternoon. About six chapters in, and there already a couple of glaring continuity boo-boos:


That said, rather enjoying this one so far, and looking forward to seeing where it goes.
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Old February 26 2015, 06:41 PM   #10
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Is "excessive" repetition a modern writing technique in Trek novels?
Not as far as I know. Trust me, there's been no official memo or policy to that effect.
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Old February 26 2015, 07:05 PM   #11
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My copy has appeared. I expect to start it by Saturday.
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Old March 2 2015, 09:35 PM   #12
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What an entertaining read!

I enjoyed the comparatively light-hearted tone and the information about the 22nd century. Plus, the book fulfilled it's role as a sequel superbly.

Besides minor continuity issues, which have already been addressed, there were two things I would like to call attention to. Firstly, is a tiny Archer-class vessel suitable as a diplomatic transport? Probably when it's about speed. On the other hand, if future bureaucrats are not as pompous anymore, this detail would actually reinforce the notion of Humans (and others) with an "evolved sensibility".

The other thing is, the Excalbians reproduced Humans only? And nobody who lived beyond the 21st century either. There would've been an opportunity for a Captain Archer cameo, or maybe even Robau. We know from various novels that Spock is not the only extraterrestrial on the ship. Theoretically, there could've been an Caitian or Triexian historical personality, or even another Vulcan.

I loved the British-American-themed state the Excalbians founded, with a fleet of ships (with prefixes! ). I wonder whether N.E.S. stands for New Excalbian ship or New Excalbia ship? They seemed to avoid the adjective/demonym in combination with the "New". In a single instance, the text referred to the NEV Victory, but I guess that's a typo meant to be overlooked, rather than the Excalbians changing their registry in mid-battle.

I'm not that familiar with Babylon 5, but the Shadow ship served as the template for the suitably alien L'rah'hane pirate ship.

The issue of the unexpected return of the L'rah'hane and the Hradrian Empire (Hadrian?) was setup as a mystery but not resolved. Sequel hook?

Another plus was the setting in the densely filled nebula, which provided a nice alternative backdrop to the usual spacey black. I envisioned the nebula in yellow and orange tones. It was actually easy to visualize. The description of Zeta Gib was equally vivid and provided a change from the usual dark barren-worlds.

Concerning the timing of the book, I found it gratifying to read a novel featuring Spock. I began to read it on the 26th, and finished last night.
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Old March 3 2015, 07:14 PM   #13
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About a third through and am uncertain if the Excalbians are the "A" or "B" plot.
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Old March 8 2015, 04:03 AM   #14
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About a third through and am uncertain if the Excalbians are the "A" or "B" plot.
They are the "C" plot.


Anyone know if the Demiurge here can in any way be related to the D'myurj from the New Frontier series?
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Old March 8 2015, 05:18 AM   #15
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Anyone know if the Demiurge here can in any way be related to the D'myurj from the New Frontier series?
Demiurge is the word for the maker of the physical universe in Platonic and other ancient philosophical schools, from the Greek word for craftsman or artisan. If anything, despite the similar name (presumably intentional on PAD's part), the D'myurj sound like the opposite of the Demiurge, since they're trying to shepherd physical beings into transcending the physical and becoming pure thought, while the Demiurge in philosophy is the being or force that converted the intangible essence of reality into physical substance and form.

No idea what the Demiurge you're referring to in the novel is like, but presumably that's a name given it by the English-speaking characters or the Universal Translator, rather than its actual phonetic name for itself.
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