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Old August 1 2012, 01:49 AM   #856
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The Lord of the Rings: 1157 pages and 3 movies.

The Hobbit: 300 pages...and 3 movies?
Yeah three films that Jackson would have loved to release longer. The fact that it's 11 hours for three films tells you ech is close to two full films.

And huge chunks of the books weren't shown ( some with good reason) the other just to keep it were he could to one film. Remember this was a make it or break it event for the studio just getting three films approved was extremely difficult.

Done today they probably would have actually done more.
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Old August 1 2012, 01:57 AM   #857
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OK, LOTR I could understand - it's huge, split into three volumes, etc. But, the Hobbit? Fuck off - it's not that long or deep that it would take three long movies to do. 90 minutes should have covered it nicely. Really, this is just taking the piss to stretch out the lifespan of the cash-cow, isn't it?
The idea that this is being done for monetary reasons doesn't hold water because Peter, Fran, and Philippa came up with the idea of doing a third movie, not the studios.
Yeah, cos writers and directors do it all for free?
No and he is well paid, but he has also ( with Kong) helped finance it out of his pocket to get the type of film he wanted (heard between ten and twenty million he fronted universal).

That's hardly the act of someone who picks projects just to earn a paycheck.
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Old August 1 2012, 04:41 AM   #858
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This worries me. The very best parts of Jackson's LotR were when he stuck with Tolkien's story and dialogue. Very few scenes that are straight from the books failed, while very few scenes that were added by Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens really worked. (With notable exceptions - Boromir's death, for example.)

To add in the Dol Guldur stuff, they were already going to have to create quite a few scenes and dialogue out of thin air. To fill out a third movie they will have to write even more. That worries me.
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Old August 1 2012, 05:37 AM   #859
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Maybe the Orc and Dwarf War will be included? If you are sticking in indexed stuff that's something I would put in. But all the extras from LOTRs would mean the film would have to jump around a bit.
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Old August 1 2012, 08:14 AM   #860
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This has really killed my excitement for these movies. Two was already stretching it. It just isn't a long book. I can only explain this with Peter Jackson's gratuitous use of slow motion to create false drama.
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Old August 1 2012, 12:49 PM   #861
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This has really killed my excitement for these movies. Two was already stretching it. It just isn't a long book. I can only explain this with Peter Jackson's gratuitous use of slow motion to create false drama.
LOL, yes, they turn one film into 3 films because everything is in slow motion.
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Old August 1 2012, 02:26 PM   #862
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Very few scenes that are straight from the books failed, while very few scenes that were added by Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens really worked. (With notable exceptions - Boromir's death, for example.)
That was in the books.
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Old August 1 2012, 07:40 PM   #863
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No one says each Hobbit movie is going to be that long.
Yeah but if Jackson had that kind of self-control and restraint, he probably wouldn't be pushing to make these into 3 movies in the FIRST place.
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Old August 1 2012, 07:58 PM   #864
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No one says each Hobbit movie is going to be that long.
Yeah but if Jackson had that kind of self-control and restraint, he probably wouldn't be pushing to make these into 3 movies in the FIRST place.
Methinks the internet could use some of that, I see too much panic & doom predictions going around. Especially since Jackson has all the inside info on these films, which we don't.
The man has more than proved himself when it comes to adapting Tolkien material. Maybe he actually knows what he's doing.
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Old August 1 2012, 08:07 PM   #865
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No one says each Hobbit movie is going to be that long.
Yeah but if Jackson had that kind of self-control and restraint, he probably wouldn't be pushing to make these into 3 movies in the FIRST place.
Methinks the internet could use some of that, I see too much panic & doom predictions going around. Especially since Jackson has all the inside info on these films, which we don't.
The man has more than proved himself when it comes to adapting Tolkien material. Maybe he actually knows what he's doing.
Do you mean to suggest that a professional film-maker who's made himself a millionaire producing, directing and co-writing his own projects and founded some of the most sought after FX companies in the business might know more about his job than a bunch of over opinionated nerds on the internet? Preposterous!!
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Old August 1 2012, 08:58 PM   #866
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I was reading on another site that Jackson would have to get started on a script for a third movie soon. But this script is basically a lot of pick up scenes right? Since they've already filmed the Hobbit story beginning to end...
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I was reading on another site that Jackson would have to get started on a script for a third movie soon. But this script is basically a lot of pick up scenes right? Since they've already filmed the Hobbit story beginning to end...
Yes, but those pick-up scenes need to be written.

What it sounds like to me is a re-edit with reshoots to fill the places where the narrative is thin. This suggests to me that Jackson isn't repeating the mistake he made in the Lord of the Rings trilogy where he didn't edit all three films at once so he didn't realize that Saruman's fall at the beginning of ROTK didn't fit anywhere until it was too late to do anything about it. This appears to be a case where Jackson has seen in the editing room that An Unexpected Journey is unbalanced and he can't fully fix it unless he has more room to work with.
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Old August 2 2012, 12:36 AM   #868
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Very few scenes that are straight from the books failed, while very few scenes that were added by Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens really worked. (With notable exceptions - Boromir's death, for example.)
That was in the books.
The battle that killed Boromir was offscreen, so to speak, in the books.
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Old August 2 2012, 12:40 AM   #869
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But Boromir's death wasn't.
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Old August 2 2012, 02:40 AM   #870
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