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Old December 24 2011, 05:55 AM   #541
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While interesting, it's still tangential. The question is what Pipe Weed is supposed to be. Given the way it's set up, it seems to be a reference to tobacco, it's just complicated by an inconsistent approach to his universe. There's nothing to suggest it has any properties of a cannabinoid at all.
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Old December 24 2011, 05:57 AM   #542
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Not a problem in the slightest. I can watch Band if Brothers for example and not be moan the lack of women characters that are prominent in their quest, why should I here.

I for one wouldn't complain about reading say a long wonder women story set back during the two thousand years of isolation from both man's world and their gods, and not be bothered by the lack of men in that story.

Why would I apply modern sensibilities to materials that were drawn for a different age. It's like reading Tom Sawyer and not having race be an issue. And it's not like that in both film versions they didn't expand female roles that weren't a part of the original work.
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Old December 24 2011, 06:23 AM   #543
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what's in Tolkien's work should be reflective of what was possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE. And tobacco and potatoes were no more possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE than were express trains.
Were Balrogs and magic invisibility rings possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE?

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(Also, since you edited in Merry's theory, it doesn't actually work. According to the maps, there was no equivalent of North and South America prior to the sinking of Numenor and the change of the world from flat to spherical. Without the Americas, there no place for tobacco and potatoes to come from.)
How can Merry's theory not work in-universe, as a theory of where pipe-weed comes from? To put it another way, given all the other changes in understanding that would be required in order to interpret the past of Arda as actual prehistory, wouldn't the true origin of tobacco be relatively minor by comparison?
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Old December 24 2011, 06:35 AM   #544
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Production video #5. On location shooting, Hobbiton, more.
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Old December 24 2011, 06:46 AM   #545
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Set Harth wrote: View Post
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what's in Tolkien's work should be reflective of what was possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE. And tobacco and potatoes were no more possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE than were express trains.
Were Balrogs and magic invisibility rings possible in Europe circa 7,000 BCE?

Allyn Gibson wrote:
(Also, since you edited in Merry's theory, it doesn't actually work. According to the maps, there was no equivalent of North and South America prior to the sinking of Numenor and the change of the world from flat to spherical. Without the Americas, there no place for tobacco and potatoes to come from.)
How can Merry's theory not work in-universe, as a theory of where pipe-weed comes from? To put it another way, given all the other changes in understanding that would be required in order to interpret the past of Arda as actual prehistory, wouldn't the true origin of tobacco be relatively minor by comparison?
Tobacco existed in ancient Europe, but the hobbits smoked it all.
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Old December 24 2011, 07:08 AM   #546
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Then something smoked all the Hobbits.
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Old December 24 2011, 07:27 AM   #547
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was Pipe-weed that "funny weed"
Would explain why Merry and Pippin have the munchies in that one scene in the extended edition of The Two Towers.
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Old December 24 2011, 07:45 AM   #548
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was Pipe-weed that "funny weed"
Would explain why Merry and Pippin have the munchies in that one scene in the extended edition of The Two Towers.
They're hobbits. They always have the munchies.
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Old December 24 2011, 09:55 AM   #549
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Not a problem in the slightest. I can watch Band if Brothers for example and not be moan the lack of women characters that are prominent in their quest, why should I here.
Band of Brothers is about an army unit in the Second World War. The screaming inconsistency would have been if there had been any women. Had it been about wartime France as a whole, however, and but one woman played a pivotal role, you have to wonder about the blinkers the writer was wearing.
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Old December 24 2011, 11:19 AM   #550
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Production video #5. On location shooting, Hobbiton, more.
Woot! Thanks for the heads-up!

ETA: So now Hobbiton will be a permanent tour-site after the movies?
I wanna ride the Smaugcoaster.

They should just rename Wellington as Hobbitwood.
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Old December 24 2011, 11:32 AM   #551
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Further in-depth frame-by-frame analysis of the trailer by folks at TORN.

I have to admit I never noticed the differences in Gandalf's staff but I like the suggestion that its actually alive and is slowly "blooming."
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Old December 24 2011, 12:49 PM   #552
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Those production videos always seem to do a great job of conveying just how special this production is for everyone involved. That dedication worked for the LOTR films - there's a great chance that it'll work for the Hobbit films, too.

Also, from that frame-by-frame analysis:
"1:48 – 2:01 : heroic version of the melody used for the song (just sung) – this indicates to me the melody will be a theme, probably a major one, in the vein of the Shire Theme and the Fellowship Theme in LOTR"
I really hope that this will be a primary theme in the score. It sounds incredible. Is there yet any confirmation that the cue was composed by Howard Shore?
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Old December 24 2011, 12:55 PM   #553
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More than likely considering he, like so many others from the Lord of the Rings production, has returned for The Hobbit.
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Old December 24 2011, 12:55 PM   #554
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We know Howard Shore is back for the films, and that theme definitely does sound like his work. It sounds like it could have come right out of LOTR.

I think it will be one of the main themes, yeah. Probably akin to the Fellowship's theme in LOTR.
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Old December 24 2011, 03:45 PM   #555
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Not a problem in the slightest. I can watch Band if Brothers for example and not be moan the lack of women characters that are prominent in their quest, why should I here.
Band of Brothers is about an army unit in the Second World War. The screaming inconsistency would have been if there had been any women. Had it been about wartime France as a whole, however, and but one woman played a pivotal role, you have to wonder about the blinkers the writer was wearing.
Good thing the Hobbit isn't about Wartime France then.
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