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Old December 23 2011, 06:18 AM   #511
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Oh, well, that's a whole other can of worms there.

Someday, I like to think BBC will decide to huge-budgeted productions of both the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter franchises. Some day. I dream....
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Old December 23 2011, 03:07 PM   #512
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What a glorious trailer! It's uncanny how much McKellan as Gandalf looks like he just stepped off the FOTR set. In that scene where Bilbo asks him if he can promise that Bilbo will return, the way Gandalf looks at him and answers....well, it looks like he could have been talking to Frodo at Bag End! Another cool thing is now the Hobbit references in FOTR will have new visual references to link up with, which will add to the pleasure of those moments.
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Old December 23 2011, 04:20 PM   #513
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So basically Christopher is the Alan Moore of his own universe.
Yeah, that more or less sums it up, unfortunately.
Is that really true? Didn't he do interviews for some of the docs on the DVD?

What does Christopher think would do justice to those books? When he sold the rights did he envision something better than what PJ did because I don't think ANYBODY did.
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Old December 23 2011, 04:27 PM   #514
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So basically Christopher is the Alan Moore of his own universe.
Yeah, that more or less sums it up, unfortunately.
Is that really true? Didn't he do interviews for some of the docs on the DVD?

What does Christopher think would do justice to those books? When he sold the rights did he envision something better than what PJ did because I don't think ANYBODY did.
Christopher didn't sell the rights. His father did because he needed the money and was sure that no one would ever be able to make a movie from his work.
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Old December 23 2011, 04:42 PM   #515
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The can be so glad Jackson did it. We could have gotten Stanley Kubrik's majorly fucked up version with the Beatles as the four Hobbits.
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Old December 23 2011, 04:52 PM   #516
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The can be so glad Jackson did it. We could have gotten Stanley Kubrik's majorly fucked up version with the Beatles as the four Hobbits.
I really have to wonder what the Beatles' Lord of the Rings movie would have been like, though. John as Gollum? George as Gandalf? Patrick McGoohan as Aragorn? It would have been a travesty to Tolkien's work, but just imagine the soundtrack album!
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Old December 23 2011, 05:23 PM   #517
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What a glorious trailer! It's uncanny how much McKellan as Gandalf looks like he just stepped off the FOTR set. In that scene where Bilbo asks him if he can promise that Bilbo will return, the way Gandalf looks at him and answers....well, it looks like he could have been talking to Frodo at Bag End! Another cool thing is now the Hobbit references in FOTR will have new visual references to link up with, which will add to the pleasure of those moments.
I can't wait for when the two Hobbit movies are on DVD then I can have a long Marathon of Tolkien based movies!!
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Old December 23 2011, 07:15 PM   #518
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
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Something that hadn't occurred to me before: Extended Editions!
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Don't forget Rose Cotton, some other female elves, the women in Rohan including Freda & her mother, and the female citizens of Minas Tirith.
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Yeah, without women, except for one of the most badass female characters ever created.
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Old December 23 2011, 10:31 PM   #522
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A marathon of stories without women except for one shieldmaiden, an elf who had to be written in from the footnotes and a walk-on part for the elf queen.
Yeah, without women, except for one of the most badass female characters ever created.
Ripley's in LoTR? I don't believe it. You obviously didn't read what I wrote.

Eowyn was the only female principal character in the entire 4 books who had anything more than the totty role.

And since we're talking about the Hobbit here, y'know all those wonderful stills of the dwarves and all the other cool pics of wizards and hobbits and elves? Just have a look at them all again and tell me if there isn't something strange about tales of Middle Earth.
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Old December 23 2011, 10:43 PM   #523
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If the dearth of women in the source material is a big deal to you, then you might enjoy other movies more than this one. The Hunger Games is out soon, and it looks good.

Honestly I'm not sure what the point is. Should Peter Jackson make some large-scale story changes to make up for J.R.R. Tolkien's perceived misogyny? (He already replaced a male character, Glorfindel, with the female Arwen in The Fellowship of the Ring.) Or should we just be ashamed of ourselves for looking forward to something that does not meet with your approval?
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Old December 24 2011, 12:46 AM   #524
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And since we're talking about the Hobbit here, y'know all those wonderful stills of the dwarves and all the other cool pics of wizards and hobbits and elves? Just have a look at them all again and tell me if there isn't something strange about tales of Middle Earth.
I respect your observations in discussions such as this, as they are usually much sharper than mine. However, the only "strangeness" here seems to be what you want to see. I honestly have never heard even the faintest whisper of concern on this matter. Wouldn't you think that there'd be a considerably smaller number of female fans if there was something "strange" about the small number of female characters?
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^Besides, Fili and Kili are clearly female dwarves.
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