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Old June 18 2011, 10:44 PM   #211
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Isn't a bard a minstrel or something? The guy shot an arrow. There's no reason he couldn't be scrawny. But it doesn't particularly matter to me either way.
His name is Bard, but he's not a bard. And, IIRC, to be any good at archery (at least prior to modern compound bows with all the fancy technology) you usually needed good upper body strength.

More like a Ranger/tracker, wasn't he?
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Old June 18 2011, 11:21 PM   #212
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IIRC, Bard is a warrior.

You know--I don't think I've ever actually read The Hobbit. But my Dad read it to me as a bedtime story, when I was five, and I listened to the audio version of the animated movie repeatedly as a kid.

In the movie, at least Bard introduces himself as Bard the Guardsman.

And I still remember...



I should really sit down and read this book before the movie comes out.

If anyone's interested--one of my colleagues, Dr. Janice Liedl, is currently editing a collection of essays on The Hobbit and History, which is scheduled to come out around the same time as the movie. I was talking to her in her office the other day about historical parallels between the Elves and the Byzantines.

(Apparently, a volume on The Hobbit and Philosophy has already been finished--they're just waiting to release it to tie in with the movie.)

Dr. Liedl really seems to have found her niche with this Pop Culture and History series. She has also contributed an essay to Twilight and History and two essays to the volume on Harry Potter and History.

She's also co-editing an upcoming volume on Star Wars and History. She's invited me to submit proposals to these volumes, and to the volume on Star Trek, but I couldn't think of anything interesting or significant to say.
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Old June 19 2011, 01:15 AM   #213
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"Black Arrow, you've never failed me. And I've always recovered you. I had you from my father, and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true King under the Mountain...go now, and speed well!"
Ooh, good point about what he is (also, a great line). Like I said, I don't overly care who they cast. Just that I wouldn't have found a skinny guy unconvincing.
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Old June 19 2011, 05:48 AM   #214
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IIRC, Bard is a warrior.
He was called in the book Bard the Bowman, known to be a skilled archer and a captain of the guard of Esgaroth.
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If anyone's interested--one of my colleagues, Dr. Janice Liedl, is currently editing a collection of essays on The Hobbit and History, which is scheduled to come out around the same time as the movie. I was talking to her in her office the other day about historical parallels between the Elves and the Byzantines.

(Apparently, a volume on The Hobbit and Philosophy has already been finished--they're just waiting to release it to tie in with the movie.)

Dr. Liedl really seems to have found her niche with this Pop Culture and History series. She has also contributed an essay to Twilight and History and two essays to the volume on Harry Potter and History.

She's also co-editing an upcoming volume on Star Wars and History. She's invited me to submit proposals to these volumes, and to the volume on Star Trek, but I couldn't think of anything interesting or significant to say.
Sounds interesting. I'll have to check out The Hobbit and History when it comes out (if I remember).

And now for some more news!

Evangeline Lilly to play a woodland elf

He has also announced two new cast members. Barry Humphries will be portraying a completely CGI Goblin King…and…wait for it…the biggest news is LOST star Evangeline Lilly will be Tauriel. PJ describes Tauriel as a Woodland Elf, ‘Her name means ‘daughter of Mirkwood’ and, beyond that, we must leave you guessing! (No, there is no romantic connection to Legolas.)
Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I wasn't thrilled with the old rumors of Saoirse Ronan playing a similar character and I love that actress. I'm not a big fan of Lilly (but maybe that's because I hate Kate Austen), but I'm more against the idea of adding such a character. Only time will tell.
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Old June 20 2011, 01:38 AM   #216
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As long as she's only a background character in the visit to the Elevenking's halls in Mirkwood I can deal with it. If you can accept adding Legolas then other Elves not seen onpage would be fine with me as long as they're not too disruptive.

And I don't hate Kate as much as some do [I'd rank her below the Scarlett O'Hara mark on the annoying scale ] but I'm more than willing to separate my admiration for her on aesthetic grounds from Kate's idiocies.

i.e., she'l look hot in pointy ears, methinks.
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Old June 20 2011, 05:47 AM   #217
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More Cumberbatch news (just when you didn't think there would be more):

Benedict Cumberbatch Voicing Smaug AND The Necromancer!
YES! YES! YES!
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Old June 20 2011, 03:17 PM   #218
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As long as she's only a background character in the visit to the Elevenking's halls in Mirkwood I can deal with it. If you can accept adding Legolas then other Elves not seen onpage would be fine with me as long as they're not too disruptive.
Don't be surprised if either Tauriel or Orlando frees the dwarves.

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YES! YES! YES!
Again with the casting of the same actor to play two separate parts, as seen in the case of Rhys-Davies. Is PJ just trying to save money or something?
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Old June 20 2011, 08:00 PM   #219
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Colour me excited! Barry Humphries is in this too! Have loved this gal since I was a kid.
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Old June 20 2011, 09:15 PM   #220
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Interesting. I thought Evangeline Lilly was going to take time off to be a mother. She just had a baby.
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Old June 21 2011, 12:17 AM   #221
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This made me smile

Director Peter Jackson announced on Facebook that Humphries will play the role of the Goblin King.

"Barry is perhaps best known for his business and social connections as the long-time manager of Dame Edna Everage. He has also been an ardent supporter of the rather misunderstood and unfairly maligned Australian politician, Sir Les Patterson," Jackson said referring to Humphries' alter egos Dame Edna Everage, a Melbourne housewife and Sir Les Patterson, a politically incorrect cultural attache.

"However, in his spare time, Barry is also a fine actor, and we're looking forward to seeing him invest the Goblin King with the delicate sensitivity and emotional depth this character deserves," Jackson wrote.
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Old June 21 2011, 02:49 AM   #222
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More Cumberbatch news (just when you didn't think there would be more):

Benedict Cumberbatch Voicing Smaug AND The Necromancer!
YES! YES! YES!

Agreed 1000 times!!

Boo on the addition of Lilly. She can't act. I HATED her on Lost.
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Old June 21 2011, 03:11 AM   #223
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I'm interested in seeing Evy as someone other than Kate Austen or as a character with a 5-second cameo.
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Old June 21 2011, 03:26 AM   #224
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Why are they calling the character the "Goblin King" instead of the Great Goblin?

Is he being retconned as really not so great after all?

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Boo on the addition of Lilly. She can't act. I HATED her on Lost.
Political correctness wins again, as it did in Jackson's LOTR. He apparently has a problem with the patriarchalist bent of the original text.
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Old June 23 2011, 04:02 PM   #225
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First pictures of Martin Freeman as Bilbo!
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