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Old October 10 2013, 03:06 PM   #1546
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I read the first book when I was 11.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:40 AM   #1547
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I'm excited for Hobbit Part 2, but I really wish they hadn't decided to make three movies. If you cut out the white orc stuff from the first part, it would have gone from good movie to very good movie. I think the Legolas stuff will be the same way in this.

Also, something i've noticed by watching the trailers, it looks like they've ruined one of my favorite scenes in the book, the barrel escape from the elves. It is not an action scene in the book, and it should not be one
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Old October 11 2013, 02:00 AM   #1548
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I think it kinda kills the pace of the original Tolkien book, as it changes a picaresque children's adventure novel in to a lesser version of Lord of the Rings.
Well, for what it's worth, I have the same problem with the novel. I didn't like reading The Hobbit because it was too much of a children's book.
I'm with you brother. I can rip through LOTR like nothing, not so with The Hobbit. I don't know if it is a mental block or what, because I do enjoy the 'story' of The Hobbit. However there is something about the way that it is written, I just can't get into it. Weird! I try and read LOTR every few years but I don't even bother with The Hobbit. With the movie coming out I did re-read it, I was glad to be done with it. My son is always looking for new things for me to read him when he goes to bed, he loves Dragons and fantasy stuff. Was thinking about reading The Hobbit to him, if we share this and maybe I can have a new appreciation for it.
Well the first time I read the Hobbit was when I was a child and I adored it. Not only was it a fun almost light adventure story that really captures a grand scope, but it was a gateway to more serious reading, which I think was a good thing for me.

Now, I tried rereading it before the last movie, and I admit I was bored with it, but nevertheless I remain fond of it.

The movies? I like that they're widening it into what's happening in the whole world and not just Thorin and Company's Quest for Erebor. Sure they've taken a lot of liberties, but they haven't really betrayed the feel of the books and the only untrue change they really made was taking away Dain's moment of being the hero in the Goblin/Dwarf war(though that trailer made it seem like he might pop up after all) and merging Azog and Bolg into the same character. Minor things really and only done to make the hero and villain more identifiable.

This next one looks good and I think the Legolas parts will amount to just a cameo really.
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Old October 11 2013, 10:45 AM   #1549
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Finally saw The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey last night. It was... OK. Way, way over-padded tough, and Sylvester's still rubbish (and Barry Humphries?! WTF?). Too many non-Hobbit bits in the first half just to give cameos to the LOTR cast, and unnecessary flashbacks to CG battles. Basically, exactly what I feared would happen when they announced such a long adaptation of such a short book- over-milking the studio's cash-cow.

That said, the last 90 minutes or so was really good - basically the bits actually adapting chapters from The Hobbit. Ian McKellen and Hugo Weaving were great, most of the Dwarves sort of bland but inoffensive, and Martin Freeman was playing Martin Freeman as usual. (seriously, if you can tell the difference between his Arthur Dent, Bilbo, and character from Blake's Junction 7, you're doing well).

Music was good too - nice to hear Shore keep a lot of the Middle Earth leitmotifs.

Over all... maybe 7/10. Nice to be in a familiar setting for a good-looking epic, but too over-padded. Unless the next two movies are a lot better it's gonna be obvious that they should have done it as two 2-hour movies at most, and I cannot fucking believe they've got the cheek to be bringing out an extended version of something that's so over-extended to start with.

There needs to be a <2-hour "Hobbit Cut" not an extended one...
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Old October 11 2013, 03:52 PM   #1550
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I'm convinced you could shave a substantial portion of time by just cutting the action scenes to make them shorter. That would give the movie quite a bit better flow. I like the name "Hobbit cut," though.
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Old October 19 2013, 12:29 PM   #1551
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I freakin' loved the first one. No complaints. The second looks even better.

My only question is that if the Hobbit is a third the size of one LotR book, but they expanded it into three three-hour movies, whereas the LotR movies got a little boring at some points due to little action, as though they were just trying to fill space.....
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Old October 19 2013, 02:13 PM   #1552
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The Lord of the Rings books are filled with description that's fairly slow, which helps explain quite a bit of its length. Things were cut when making the movies and very little added to fill space (things were added to give female characters things to do, though).

The Hobbit is the opposite. The book is very sparse. Entire conversations are represented by a single sentence ("And all the Dwarves agreed that Biblo was brave indeed"). The movie is invariably longer just because of that. Quite often, imo, this is taken to extremes - some of the action scenes are drawn out unnecessarily, imo.

So that's the difference. As far as total plot, the LOTR has more, but it's closer than book length would suggest. But far more was cut from the story to make the movies than was cut from the Hobbit.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:33 PM   #1553
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TheOneRing.Net has posted images of four Lego sets for The Desolation of Smaug. The of the sets (Dol Guldur related) suggest certain events for the film.

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Old November 5 2013, 12:26 PM   #1554
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New three minute trailer!
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Old November 5 2013, 02:11 PM   #1555
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Wow, I didn't expect yet another trailer so close to the release. Greater emphasis on the stakes for Bard and Laketown in addition to the stakes for Thranduil, Legalos and Tauriel. And, of course, just a little more of Smaug!

But still no shots of Stephen Fry.
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Old November 5 2013, 06:53 PM   #1556
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TheOneRing.Net has posted images of four Lego sets for The Desolation of Smaug. The of the sets (Dol Guldur related) suggest certain events for the film.

This is funny. This set has that character, and that set has this character, so it must mean a change in the storyline. But the sets also lack other characters, but that means nothing!
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Old November 5 2013, 09:57 PM   #1557
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Well, seeing AUJ was one of the most unhappy times of my life in a theater. I spent $30 dollars for me and my buddy to see it in HFR 3-D, and my eyes hurt from the get-go. I liked the film (but I thought it was odd that the first line of the book came only after pages of dry exposition) but the theater experience itself was awful.

The new trailer looks pretty good. I plan on seeing it in 2-D, no HFR. What matters is the story, not the bells and whistles. If it's a good film I should be well-absorbed into it on it's own merits.
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Old November 5 2013, 10:26 PM   #1558
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Well, seeing AUJ was one of the most unhappy times of my life in a theater. I spent $30 dollars for me and my buddy to see it in HFR 3-D, and my eyes hurt from the get-go. I liked the film (but I thought it was odd that the first line of the book came only after pages of dry exposition) but the theater experience itself was awful.

The new trailer looks pretty good. I plan on seeing it in 2-D, no HFR. What matters is the story, not the bells and whistles. If it's a good film I should be well-absorbed into it on it's own merits.
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Old November 6 2013, 07:15 AM   #1559
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So apparently there was a worldwide fan event on Monday that I had absolutely no idea about!

Fortunately Warner Bros. was kind enough to upload the video onto YouTube. It's an hour long, but the first ten minutes is just a static image and a scrolling Twitter feed. Then they replay the recent theatrical trailer, and the actual event starts at around 12:30. It's mostly a Q&A with Peter Jackson and some members of the cast, but the real highlights are the newest production blog, which starts at around 21:00, and a clip from the upcoming Extended Edition of An Unexpected Journey, which starts at around 52:45. The video ends with the three-minute sneak peek that recently came out. Enjoy!

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Old November 10 2013, 07:00 AM   #1560
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Here's the twelfth production diary. It was included in the fan event linked in my previous post, but I figure folks might want a link to just the diary itself.

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