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Old March 23 2011, 02:08 PM   #1
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Where were the Vulcan's?

I just watched Twilight and was wondering why the Vulcans weren't helping the humans?
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Old March 23 2011, 03:07 PM   #2
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

Vulcan point of view - "We told the humans they were not ready. We told them not to push out into the far reaches of space and make their presence known. They got themselves into this. We will not fight a war they should not have started."

Didn't the Andorians help in a different conflict when Vulcan did nothing? I remember Sharan bringing that up a couple times.
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Old March 23 2011, 03:36 PM   #3
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

They were busy running away from the copper vampires...

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)
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Old March 23 2011, 03:54 PM   #4
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

They did rendezvous with Enterprise's Convoy and refilled their antimatter, but I got the feeling that humanity had deliberately isolated itself. If there were 3 convoys with around 5000 humans aboard each, comprising the remnants of humanity it seems odd that they weren't offered sanctuary on Vulcan.

So why weren't they? My guess is that they were, but that they turned it down in favour of heading for Ceti Alpha, because they thought it was less likely the Xindi would find them there, protecting both the remains of humanity and whoever gave them shelter.

Think about it - every human colony had been attacked by the Xindi so they deliberately isolated themselves from the galaxy at large, not wanting to put their allies in danger.

Of course I may be giving humanity too much credit!
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Old March 23 2011, 03:54 PM   #5
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

They didn't want any part of that can of Xindi whup-ass.
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Old March 23 2011, 04:02 PM   #6
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

More than that...

From "Carbon Creek", evidently the Vulcans have been around Earth since the 1950s.
Yet they did nothing to help as Earth nearly destroyed itself in The Eugenics Wars and World War III and all that.

What, the Vulcan Prime Directive of Non-Interference?

The Vulcans would have really sat on the sidelines as humanity wiped itself out?
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Old March 23 2011, 04:10 PM   #7
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Why not?

Anyway, there's no evidence within Star Trek that humanity has ever come that close to wiping itself out in any war. The situation portrayed in First Contact certainly doesn't suggest that our WW III exactly devastated the United States, for example. At most it looks like government and the overall economy may have deteriorated, but given that the action takes place in Montana we really can't even be sure of that.
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Old March 23 2011, 04:47 PM   #8
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Why not?

Anyway, there's no evidence within Star Trek that humanity has ever come that close to wiping itself out in any war. The situation portrayed in First Contact certainly doesn't suggest that our WW III exactly devastated the United States, for example. At most it looks like government and the overall economy may have deteriorated, but given that the action takes place in Montana we really can't even be sure of that.
Didn't someone quote six hundred million dead in the film? Based on population growth, that would represent less than ten percent of the population in the 2050's.
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Old March 23 2011, 05:45 PM   #9
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

BruntFCA wrote: View Post
I just watched Twilight and was wondering why the Vulcans weren't helping the humans?
They were allies, not idiots. They didn't want any undesirable attention from the Xindi.
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Old March 23 2011, 06:14 PM   #10
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Why not?

Anyway, there's no evidence within Star Trek that humanity has ever come that close to wiping itself out in any war. The situation portrayed in First Contact certainly doesn't suggest that our WW III exactly devastated the United States, for example. At most it looks like government and the overall economy may have deteriorated, but given that the action takes place in Montana we really can't even be sure of that.
Right. But that's knowing after the fact.
Once the nukes start flying and WWIII is on, how did the Vulcans know it'd stop before total annihilation?

Is it a matter of degree? 600 million dead, they just sit back and watch. When it hits two billion dead, then they'd intervene?

Either way, WWIII or Eugenics Wars or Xindi attack, looks like the Vulcans will let whatever play itself out for planet Earth.
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Old March 23 2011, 06:24 PM   #11
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SchwEnt wrote: View Post
Dennis wrote: View Post
Why not?

Anyway, there's no evidence within Star Trek that humanity has ever come that close to wiping itself out in any war. The situation portrayed in First Contact certainly doesn't suggest that our WW III exactly devastated the United States, for example. At most it looks like government and the overall economy may have deteriorated, but given that the action takes place in Montana we really can't even be sure of that.
Right. But that's knowing after the fact.
Once the nukes start flying and WWIII is on, how did the Vulcans know it'd stop before total annihilation?

Is it a matter of degree? 600 million dead, they just sit back and watch. When it hits two billion dead, then they'd intervene?

Either way, WWIII or Eugenics Wars or Xindi attack, looks like the Vulcans will let whatever play itself out for planet Earth.
As far as World War III goes, what would you have the Vulcans do? Come in and take over? Destroy our ability to make war?

There are some thing that a species must learn on their own.
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Old March 23 2011, 06:31 PM   #12
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Re: Where were the Vulcan's?

Where were the Vulcan’s what? His kidneys?
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Old March 23 2011, 06:35 PM   #13
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Just about where a human's spleen would be, of course.

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Old March 23 2011, 06:43 PM   #14
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No you know his...logical appendages

(not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place!)
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Old March 23 2011, 07:01 PM   #15
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No you know his...logical appendages

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