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Old March 16 2011, 12:10 PM   #1
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Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

In the holodeck?

What would be the ethics of this?

Could partners serving on different ships have holograms of each other.
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Old March 16 2011, 12:15 PM   #2
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

If you're okay with having sex with androids, blow-up dolls, and anything else that isn't a real flesh-and blood-person with their own mind, a hologram should be no problem, IMO...
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Old March 16 2011, 12:16 PM   #3
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

Is it wrong to have a wank watching porn? No. It's pretty much porn for the future but a lot better. I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever utilising the 'Victorias secret underwear model gang bang' programme.

If the hologram has become self aware (like the doctor) then they would have to be treated like any other lifeform and not used for human sexual pleasure.
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Old March 16 2011, 12:22 PM   #4
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

Why would self-awareness rule out use for sexual pleasure? Many a living person today would be quite appalled by the idea that they are out of bounds for such use...

Who's doing the "okaying"? If person X has a partner Y, then X might think it okay to have sex with a hologram but Y might frown on it. OTOH, X might consider it morally utterly untolerable to even masturbate while sharing a life with Y, whereas Y would in fact like for X to take multiple sentient partners. And neighbors NN, society S or religion R might have different criteria on what X or Y can do, of course.

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Old March 16 2011, 12:22 PM   #5
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

It would solve the problems of virgins who dont want to be virgins!
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Old March 16 2011, 12:23 PM   #6
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

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Why would self-awareness rule out use for sexual pleasure? Many a living person today would be quite appalled by the idea that they are out of bounds for such use...

Who's doing the "okaying"? If person X has a partner Y, then X might think it okay to have sex with a hologram but Y might frown on it. OTOH, X might consider it morally utterly untolerable to even masturbate while sharing a life with Y, whereas Y would in fact like for X to take multiple sentient partners. And neighbors NN, society S or religion R might have different criteria on what X or Y can do, of course.

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i think he means it would have to be consentual
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Old March 16 2011, 12:34 PM   #7
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...Of course, that's a matter of definitions, too: there's always a balance between consent and initiative. Which is why X forcing himself upon Y may be considered a crime of rape where X is guilty, or a crime against the natural order of things or holy word or whatever where Y is guilty.

I wonder if a self-aware hologram could use the defense "I was programmed that way" if charged with seducing a married person, or holo-knifing an unarmed and innocent victim, etc? Psychologists all over argue whether some humans have "criminal natures" they can't help, but holoengineers might have a more definitive answer to the corresponding holo-question.

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Old March 16 2011, 12:49 PM   #8
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

Seven of Nine lost her virginity to a hologram of Chakotay.

...or wouldn't that count? Would it if the Doctor was someone's first? Or Data? Holo-Moriaty?

Is it right or wrong to have sex with holograms? I think that Futurama episode with the Lucy Liu-bot tackled this better than Trek did
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Old March 16 2011, 12:54 PM   #9
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

I see no problem with it. This is why holodecks would have been invented, without a doubt. Having sex with a holo-double of your partner is fine too, until you start making "adjustments"
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Old March 16 2011, 01:00 PM   #10
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I see no problem with it. This is why holodecks would have been invented, without a doubt. Having sex with a holo-double of your partner is fine too, until you start making "adjustments"
you know, this got me to thinking, could you do, holo-conferencing

like video conferencing on skype, but you have the hologram as your avatar.

that would probably be the best thing for couples
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Old March 16 2011, 01:02 PM   #11
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Didn't work for Tuvok. But us non-telepaths might still get a kick out of it.

It's a bit curious we didn't see holo-conferencing in TNG. The closest we got was the holophone in DS9 "For the Uniform", but that didn't stick. Novels have of course utilized the holoconference concept quite a bit.

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Old March 16 2011, 01:08 PM   #12
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

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I see no problem with it. This is why holodecks would have been invented, without a doubt. Having sex with a holo-double of your partner is fine too, until you start making "adjustments"
you know, this got me to thinking, could you do, holo-conferencing

like video conferencing on skype, but you have the hologram as your avatar.

that would probably be the best thing for couples
That's a great idea. Their subspace communications seem to work over quite a long distance where it might not be practical to meet up physically.

Let's just hope they have a secure connection, otherwise a cloaked Romulan ship might intercept something a little different to what they were expecting.
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Old March 16 2011, 01:10 PM   #13
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If the hologram has become self aware (like the doctor) then they would have to be treated like any other lifeform and not used for human sexual pleasure.
No way, holograms shouldn't have rights, if they become "self aware" and start making demands their memories get deleted, problem solved.
Holograms in Star Trek can be used for everything, including sex and killing them for fun. What do you think happens when O'Brien and Bashir play war in the holosuite?
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Old March 16 2011, 01:14 PM   #14
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I see no problem with it. This is why holodecks would have been invented, without a doubt. Having sex with a holo-double of your partner is fine too, until you start making "adjustments"
you know, this got me to thinking, could you do, holo-conferencing

like video conferencing on skype, but you have the hologram as your avatar.

that would probably be the best thing for couples
That's a great idea. Their subspace communications seem to work over quite a long distance where it might not be practical to meet up physically.

Let's just hope they have a secure connection, otherwise a cloaked Romulan ship might intercept something a little different to what they were expecting.
if we could invent this now, we would be billionares, i have some mirrors and an old 56k modem, ima see what i can come up with
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Old March 16 2011, 01:24 PM   #15
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Re: Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

I supposed it would be OK if you believe in freedom, rights and liberty to do as you please! [laugh!]

That would be really awkward if Troi walked in on Picard while he was naked!
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