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Old December 27 2011, 01:48 AM   #271
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Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread

Both issue 4s, Buffy and Angel and Faith, were great. I am really enjoying season nine so far.

Karl Moline talks about Fray, his work on seaon 8, and his upcoming work in season 9, here.
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Old December 29 2011, 03:56 AM   #272
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Angel and Faith #5 was something surprising. I thought we were in for a dud with Harmony returning but this was a fun issue. The art was surprisingly fun as well. Angel continues to be on a singular path which I predict is not going to end well. Faith's concern and hesitation continues to be ever present. Clem was awesome in this issue, always nice to see old characters from the past return. There were some funny lines as well. Both books are going in the right direction now.
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Old December 29 2011, 04:47 AM   #273
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Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread

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Angel and Faith #5 was something surprising. I thought we were in for a dud with Harmony returning but this was a fun issue. The art was surprisingly fun as well. Angel continues to be on a singular path which I predict is not going to end well. Faith's concern and hesitation continues to be ever present. Clem was awesome in this issue, always nice to see old characters from the past return. There were some funny lines as well. Both books are going in the right direction now.
What do you think about the explanation about Angel's intentions as Twilight? It retcons #35, and fans on BF and Whedonesque have been split over whether it's an attempt at whitewashing his actions. I think it's just an attempt to make more sense of his motivations and characterization during season 8, but I don't think it whitewashes him at all. So he wasn't willing to let everyone in the world die while he lived with Buffy in a paradise for two (which answers the "what about Connor?" question), but instead he wanted to play God and decide who gets to live in 'paradise' and who gets to perish? That's really not any better.
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Old December 29 2011, 05:59 PM   #274
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I honestly took it to be a throwaway line from Harmony...never put too much thought into actually. If it was an attempt to retcon...well I dunno. We really don't know what he truly intended "Twilight" to be or who was going to be allowed in. Given the source of who said it I kind of didn't think it important to dwell on since Harmony says a bunch of stuff.
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Old December 30 2011, 01:29 PM   #275
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I honestly took it to be a throwaway line from Harmony...never put too much thought into actually. If it was an attempt to retcon...well I dunno. We really don't know what he truly intended "Twilight" to be or who was going to be allowed in. Given the source of who said it I kind of didn't think it important to dwell on since Harmony says a bunch of stuff.
Harmony was just suggesting what he might try to claim he wanted to do, but Angel started saying "But that is what I was going to..."

It does fit as what he probably originally intended with the Twilight plan (since he thought he was "saving the world") and it would be in character for him (he has taken upon himself to decide who's worth saving and who isn't before - think of the lawyers in "Reunion" and Lindsey in NFA) and would explain why he didn't seem concerned about Connor - he thought Connor would be safe. But it doesn't fit with his behavior in #35 unless he considered Willow, Giles, Xander, Dawn, Faith and the rest of the Slayers unworthy of being saved - he didn't seem concerned with helping them at all until Buffy refused to stay in the Twilight dimension.
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Old December 30 2011, 09:51 PM   #276
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Angel not being concerned about some people close to him isn't really a big deal to me since really he was focused on just Buffy at the time the two of them created Twilight. You hit it on the nail when you said he didn't seem concerned with anyone else until Buffy refused to stay in Twilight. He was thinking only about her at that time, which makes sense. My point is he was kind of self-absorbed at the time. Angel most likely believed that Buffy would go along with his plan. Kind of the point of the whole "Twilight" thing. He was thinking of only himself.
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Old December 31 2011, 01:07 AM   #277
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Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread

Now would be the right time to quote an answer from Scott Allie in his latest Q&A:

4. Sosa Lola: Hi, Scott, loved the Harmony issue, so funny! In the issue, Harmony wants to start a campaign to fix Angel's image, twisting the truth by saying that Angel was going to take the good humans to Twilight and leave the bad ones to burn. Angel says later, "But that IS what I was going to..." Was he talking about "creating a new universe and leaving the current one to burn" or "taking the good people to the new universe he created and leaving the bad ones."?

Scott: He meant both. I want to do an issue of Angel drawn by Bob Sikoryak in the style of Charles Schulz in which Angel keeps trying to explain what he was thinking in Season 8, but Faith repeatedly pulls the football out from in front of him, and no one else will listen to him, and every page ends with him saying, "Good grief!" Twenty-two pages of that, at the end of which, still no one knows what the hell he was thinking.
Angel was manipulated into taking point on a very bad plan that he never fully understood because he never bothered to understand it, too wrapped up in the idea of doing an ultimate good deed.
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Old December 31 2011, 01:09 AM   #278
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An interesting response, and I'd love to read that issue he's talking about...so I was kind of along the right track. It does seem like Angel was manipulated and had a deluded sense of sense during his whole Twilight plan thingy. He was obsessed with the ultimate result and not really in the absolute consequence of what his actions would result to those he cared about.
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Old January 2 2012, 03:20 PM   #279
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Things From Another World has a Spuffy promo for season 9 (with the image taken from the cover of #6):

http://images.tfaw.com/tfaw2007/home/BuffyS9.jpg



BTW the coloring is really weird, I hope they'll fix it for the actual cover. What's up with Spike's and Buffy's face being so red, and why are his eyes green?
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Old January 2 2012, 04:33 PM   #280
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Okay awesome, I think I see my nook color wallpaper.
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Old January 2 2012, 07:19 PM   #281
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That promo looks very cartoonish with the colouring and brightness. Perhaps that is the point of it. It is a little annoying.
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Old January 2 2012, 08:34 PM   #282
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Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread

This was posted on Whedonesque earlier, under the title "Huge Buffy Season 9 spoiler"
See here

So just beware if you click on it. It is however not some leaked info, its an official release. And its a cover image for #8 so you'll see it before you read the issue anyway. But just for here and now I'll discuss it in spoiler code

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Old January 2 2012, 08:36 PM   #283
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Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread

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That promo looks very cartoonish with the colouring and brightness. Perhaps that is the point of it. It is a little annoying.
It's made from Phil Noto's cover for #6, but the coloring is even weirder than in the released cover image.

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/i.../BuffyS9_6.jpg

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So just beware if you click on it. It is however not some leaked info, its an official release. And its a cover image for #8 so you'll see it before you read the issue anyway. But just for here and now I'll discuss it in spoiler code
Yeah, but we're actually supposed to only see it after we've read #5, 6 and 7. We're getting spoiled a lot because Dark Horse releases solicitations and covers for 4 issues in advance. Though some of the solicitations were misleading (like the one for Buffy #4). Still, I'm not clicking on that...
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Old January 2 2012, 09:03 PM   #284
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Meh, it's just a flesh wound.

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Interesting spoiler. Not really sure what to make of it other than it could be misleading.
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