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Old March 28 2011, 02:05 AM   #31
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It's like saying bombs are a bigger threat than knives while a knife is pointed at your neck. It makes you rearrange your current priorities
I like your analogy. But looking at that situation in a Vulcan way, yes, a bomb is still a bigger threat. It can cause more damage in a certain amount of time than can a knife. But then a knife can keep going whereas a bomb can only be used once, so the analogy isn't perfect, but then no analogy is...

Eh, the Borg were in a different show. Perhaps they were on the other end of the Federation from the Bajor/Cardassia/Dominion thing.
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Old March 28 2011, 02:38 AM   #32
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Old March 28 2011, 05:42 AM   #33
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It's like saying bombs are a bigger threat than knives while a knife is pointed at your neck. It makes you rearrange your current priorities
I like your analogy. But looking at that situation in a Vulcan way, yes, a bomb is still a bigger threat. It can cause more damage in a certain amount of time than can a knife. But then a knife can keep going whereas a bomb can only be used once, so the analogy isn't perfect, but then no analogy is...

Eh, the Borg were in a different show. Perhaps they were on the other end of the Federation from the Bajor/Cardassia/Dominion thing.
Should Starfleet have been concerned with the Borg after 2 years of inactivity followed by, in hindsight, 2 more years of further inactivity? Whereas the Dominion were there every day for four years and then were being negotiated with at least another. As well, whenever the Borg came, at least Starfleet prevented them from causing billions of casualties.

I think you're taking the analogy a little too literally now. "Bombs are wired... like the Borg! Knives can be used to surgically cut... like the Dominion!" More direct threat in this sense means more immediate, more consistent threat, not bigger. The point being is that Starfleet had someone to worry about with a heck of a lot more urgency and a lot less distance than the periodic threat of the Borg. Besides, knives are much, much more common than bombs.
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Old March 28 2011, 05:52 AM   #34
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I do sometimes wonder if it was the founders who actual created the vorta and the jem'hadar (and maybe other species), the founders use other species as their workers, more likely some other servant race did the creating for them. The less than honest founders then took the credit.
In one episode Weyoun tells Odo that the founders took an ape like race and genetically engineered them into the Vorta we know and love today - this is no secret and it reinforces their image as gods...supposedly...
Which makes it all the more suspect, to me.
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The Founders were smart enough to design whole species with genetic engineering but they can't develop a cure for a virus?
It easily could have taken the founders hundreds of generations in the lab and centuries of effort to create the vorta and the jem'hadar, with lot's of blind alleys and failures along the way. Given enough time on their own the founder just might have developed an independent cure, if the disease gave them the time.

I do sometimes wonder if it was the founders who actual created the vorta and the jem'hadar (and maybe other species), the founders use other species as their workers, more likely some other servant race did the creating for them. The less than honest founders then took the credit.

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So the Federation council officially refused to end a genocide that their own citizens have committed?
TNG did the same. With Picard being criticised for not taking a chance to commit genocide against the Borg in "I Borg"
The difference there is that Geordi's computer virus wouldn't have "genocided" the Borg to death, it simply would have cause the collective to disintegrate turning the trillions of drones into individuals again.

While many would likely have died subsequently, the captured multitudes would have been freed.
No it would have killed th Borg. Bringing them back to individuality only came up again when they decided to send hugh back. I dont know why they thought it would work. Or why it did.
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The simple thing is that the oldest rule in is this, you NEVER try for peace from a position of weakness (Unless you are surrendering) Much like as soon as you start to talk with terrorists, the terrorists win (Also shown in DS9).

A real life example is the Israeli-Arab conflict. After the Six day war, Israel was in no mood to talk to their Arab neighbors since to be blunt, in the Six Day War, Israel kicked their butts and felt no reason why they would need to talk. After the 1973 war, when Syria and Egypt gave Israel some major worries, talks commenced and resulted in the Camp David accords which Egypt made peace, which secured Israel.

On DS9, where the Federation was in a war for its survival, the Dominion thought they had won till the final battles, and the Federation was going to hold the cure back as a very important prize to offer for a lasting peace, and to have a lasting peace, both sides have to trust that the treaty will be upheld. And the Federation and it allies, right or wrong, did not trust the dominion till they had defeated them.

The shock was not that they withheld the cure (Now if they didn't offer the cure are part of the peace process would be shocking) but that section 31 made the illness.
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