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Old February 4 2011, 12:57 PM   #1
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Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

When he "captures" Pike and insists he tell him the defense codes for Earth, Pike refuses and even forces that Mind Slug into his mouth to get the codes. Why did Nero even need them? Clearly nothing Starfleet had could even dent the Narada (as evident at Vulcan), there fore, was a waste of time. (yes I know, that was a plot device to "cripple" Pike so Kirk could take command and all that, but still, a futile excercise by Nero)
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Old February 4 2011, 01:43 PM   #2
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

Well, Starfleet are a resourceful bunch. Nero had some knowledge of Earth (he knew Spock served on the Enterprise, and he recognized Kirk) and the Federation, so he probably knows about some or all of the instances where Earth's been on the verge of destruction yet pulled through (Xindi, V'Ger, whale probe, Borg, Borg again etc).

Better to be safe than sorry.
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Old February 4 2011, 03:34 PM   #3
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

It was a useful way to kill some time and padd out the movie.
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Old February 4 2011, 04:56 PM   #4
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

definitely just a plot devise, but I we have to come up with a logical explanation...Since Earth is the location of Starfleet HQ and Vulcan isn't, perhaps Vulcan doesn't have the kind of planetary defenses Earth does and thus Nero doesn't need to get codes for Vulcan since there is nothing there to shut down.
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Old February 4 2011, 06:17 PM   #5
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

It really is quite logical. I am sure in the 23rd century Earth has some space based security systems to ward off an alien attack and Nero wants to immobilize them in order for his drill to work so he can destroy the Earth.
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Old February 5 2011, 05:24 AM   #6
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

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It really is quite logical. I am sure in the 23rd century Earth has some space based security systems to ward off an alien attack and Nero wants to immobilize them in order for his drill to work so he can destroy the Earth.
That plus he burned through most of his missiles after blowing up all those Klingon ships, probably all of Vulcan's orbital defenses, blowing up the Starfleet task force sent to Vulcan, and putting a salvo into the Enterprise.
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Old February 5 2011, 08:51 AM   #7
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

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When he "captures" Pike and insists he tell him the defense codes for Earth, Pike refuses and even forces that Mind Slug into his mouth to get the codes. Why did Nero even need them?
It's a Romulan thing. Shinzon needed them too for some reason, despite the fact that HIS ship could fire while cloaked. I guess it's some sort of Romulan warrior tradition that you must first extract your enemy's security code, or his briefcase code, or his locker combination, or his ATM pin number, or SOMETHING, before you're morally justified in attacking his planet.

Clearly nothing Starfleet had could even dent the Narada (as evident at Vulcan)
We don't really know that, do we? Earth's defenses are probably quite a bit tougher than Vulcan's, and Nero might be aware that, powerful as he is, he doesn't quite have enough ammunition to fight off four dozen orbiting phaser platforms all while drilling through the planet's core.
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Old February 5 2011, 11:30 AM   #8
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

I don't understand why it should be that Earth's defences should be so much stronger than Vulcan. Isn't Vulcan closer to the Neutral Zone? If it's defences are weaker then it's yet another example of terrible writing or rather of a hopelessly inept Federation.

I favour the logic that Nero burned a lot of his resources but they had several opportunities to dent his invincibility (e.g. that he travels to Earth at less than warp 4 because his ship has been damaged in the fight with the Federation ships) but chose to gloss over the details. For some reason they want him to appear overwhelmingly invincable despite the fact that there is more excitement when the foes are more evenly matched per TWoK and this leaves us scratching our heads when they use these plot devices without any plot to back them up.
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Old February 5 2011, 03:53 PM   #9
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I favour the logic that Nero burned a lot of his resources but they had several opportunities to dent his invincibility (e.g. that he travels to Earth at less than warp 4 because his ship has been damaged in the fight with the Federation ships) but chose to gloss over the details.
Why would you have expected him to give those details in the first place? It's bad enough that he's started monologing about his Feindish Master Plan, now you're expecting him to give Pike the latest damage reports and inventory lists?
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Old February 5 2011, 04:05 PM   #10
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

I dunno...it seems that even as of 2367 Earth's space defenses consist largely of ships named Enterprise, a few pathetic ships near Mars, and just hanging there helplessly in space.
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Old February 5 2011, 07:23 PM   #11
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

Anything that gives him an advantage is worth getting. He doesn't want to sustain unecessary ship damage.
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Old February 5 2011, 08:45 PM   #12
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... Nero had some knowledge of Earth (he knew Spock served on the Enterprise, and he recognized Kirk) and the Federation, so he probably knows about some or all of the instances where Earth's been on the verge of destruction yet pulled through (Xindi, V'Ger, whale probe, Borg, Borg again etc). ...
Yeah and he still thought he could win! He must have been crazy.
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Old February 5 2011, 09:56 PM   #13
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

I figure it's becuase Nero though it would save him the trouble of having to take those defenses out, which is also probably why V'ger hacked the Earth defense systems in TMP dispite being all powerful.
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Old February 6 2011, 07:58 PM   #14
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It was a useful way to kill some time and padd out the movie.
Of course.
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Old February 6 2011, 08:26 PM   #15
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Re: Why did Nero care so much about the Defense codes?

Well, Nero needed a way to circumvent starfleet's defenses because even the Narada would not be able to fend off an entire fleet of ships. The battle with the Kelvin was just one ship and the task force sent to vulcan was taken by surprise.

Nero did not know that most of starfleet was in another system and for all he knew earth, being the heart of the federation, was heavily guarded by fleets of ships as well as orbital defenses. His need for the defense codes was valid.

Even if Nero had somehow found out that most of starfleet was not at sol, we don't know if there were orbital defenses in place. Despite having a formidable ship, how would the Narada fair against say a hundred orbital weapons platforms firing continuously at the same time? It was a necessary precaution.
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