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Old February 16 2011, 12:21 AM   #16
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Re: The Buildup and Anticipation to the Borg

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They had already been "humanized" and everything that made them mysterious and exciting was lost.
I keep reading this over and over again, how exactly does being "mysterious" make something good? Were the Cardassians or Romulans "mysterious", no they weren't but that didn't keep them from being interesting.
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Old February 16 2011, 03:25 AM   #17
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I found them more tragic the less mysterious they were. You came to see them as not a faceless enemy but as ordinary lives stolen a thousand fold over. The more humanized they were to us the more horrible it all was.
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Old February 19 2011, 12:56 AM   #18
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Re: The Buildup and Anticipation to the Borg

The way I figure it was that the Borg should have been destroyed in FC. I don't understand how they could all be dying on the Ent-E and yet all be alive and well in the Delta Quadrant a few months later. If the Borg were that dependant on the Queen, how could she risk taking herself into the past. I don't believe its been ever shown that the Queen had deputy Queens in waiting. If counting the events in FC, I feel that Voyager should have entered Borg space that was in absolute disarray. There could have been factions vying for power and a civil war could have been occuring since the Queen was gone. Instead, the Queen was back as if nothing ever happened in FC. There was no reference by the Borg as to what effect FC had on their hive. Seven only mentions later how the Borg's interference helped humans make first contact with Vulcan. If FC is ignored, Scorpion was a great two parter. It was the peak of Voyager. Cobra
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Old February 19 2011, 03:39 AM   #19
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Re: The Buildup and Anticipation to the Borg

I'm of two minds:

1) The Borg should have all been wiped out in BOBW, the Cube should have been the ONLY Cube carrying the entire Borg population.

2) The Borg should have all been killed when the Queen died, or "Scorpion" should have mentioned that the 8472 killed nearly all the Borg leaving only a small flotilla left by the time the story began.

Essentially, there never should have been a huge Borg Collective left by the time of Voyager.
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Old February 20 2011, 04:26 AM   #20
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Actually, killing off most of the Borg after "Scorpion" isn't a bad idea. It wouldn't change many stories ("Hope and Fear," I suppose, would have to be revised a little) and the resulting power vacuum would have allowed for some interesting stories to play out.
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Old February 20 2011, 05:29 AM   #21
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Exactly, there wouldn't be as much an outcry of VOY ruining the Borg if all that's left are depowered remnants and not a single group as powerful as the TNG Borg.
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Old February 20 2011, 07:15 AM   #22
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The other option is that the writers could have abided by what they wrote in "The Gift" and accepted that Voyager had been flung out of Borg space and woudn't be returning to it (except, perhaps, in a story like "The Raven" where they back track to Borg space, or "Hope and Fear" where another alien tries to take them back into Borg space).

In fact, such a move would have probably made shows like "The Raven" and "Hope and Fear" more effective, since the idea of "Borg space" would actually have some meaning.
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Old February 20 2011, 02:04 PM   #23
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Probably, but what with the "speed of plot" thing and lousy writers wanting to cash in on the Borg's popularity they'd keep bringing them back anyways. Having some other stronger species just destroy the Collective, leaving weakened remnants behind would solve the Borg problem, leave them open for re-use without anyone complaining they were emasculated since the Collective's power was gone already, and allow for more interesting stories dealing with the collapse of the Collective.

For example, other DQ species might begin an extermination campaign to wipe out Borg-infested areas and draft VOY for the cause. Or Borg technology becomes a new black market item, etc.
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Old February 20 2011, 08:02 PM   #24
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Well, if the writers were ready and willing to ignore one premise to bring the Borg back, I doubt mostly destroying them would have changed things.
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Old February 20 2011, 08:12 PM   #25
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It would have made it easier for the audience to accept it, possibly. They'd think "Oh well, the Borg's power was destroyed off-screen beforehand so VOY winning against a shattered Borg remnant isn't so unbelievable".

And also, the Collective being destroyed and the DQ reacting to this is a far more interesting premise than simply being teleported beyond them.
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It's certainly an interesting premise. Better writers (or, less constrained writers) could have done something with it.
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