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Old January 30 2011, 03:57 AM   #1
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Daedalus episode

What was with the acting? In some places it was bad. In others, absolutely atrocious. I've seen these guys act. What the hell happened?
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Old January 30 2011, 04:18 AM   #2
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I've got no idea, but this is one of the worst ENT episode, IMHO. The acting really is worse than amateur; it's hard to believe that these are actually professionals who've done good work elsewhere.
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Old January 30 2011, 06:38 AM   #3
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I liked the concept of the episode, but I prefer David Brin's take on the creator of the transporter.
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Old January 30 2011, 07:03 AM   #4
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When I originally heard the title, I hoped to see a Daedalus class ship.

Story was OK, nothing great.
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Old January 30 2011, 11:01 AM   #5
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Didn't really notice any problems with the acting.
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Old January 30 2011, 02:48 PM   #6
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The biggest problem is being 100 light years from the nearest star when they had only recently ventured 100 light years from Earth, and they were there because the two were trying to rescue their lost son.....
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Old January 30 2011, 10:46 PM   #7
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Re: Daedalus episode

itchy01ca wrote: View Post
What was with the acting? In some places it was bad. In others, absolutely atrocious. I've seen these guys act. What the hell happened?
Crap script.

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The biggest problem is being 100 light years from the nearest star when they had only recently ventured 100 light years from Earth, and they were there because the two were trying to rescue their lost son.....
Um, they were about 90 LY from Earth in Two Days and Two Nights (season 1).

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Old January 31 2011, 03:48 PM   #8
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Bill Cobbs is a good actor, and although his approach to the role of Emory Erickson was unusual, I wouldn't personally judge it to be a poor performance.
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Old February 1 2011, 01:02 AM   #9
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In my opinion, Bill Cobbs played Emory just a bit too crotchety, so that it was hard to empathize with his mission to save his son. Had he been less of a jerk, the dilemma Archer found himself in (loyalty to family vs. loyalty to ship) would have felt more compelling.
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Old February 4 2011, 03:24 PM   #10
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On the big technical problem in the episode, we can creatively interpret Archer's words regarding the Barrens...

We're entering an area known as the Barrens. There's not a star system within a hundred light years.
"We're entering" might well mean that they are now half a lightyear into a big bubble that is 100 ly across and starless, and aiming to get about five lightyears into it before beginning the experiments. Doesn't mean they reached the dead center of a 200 ly wide sphere of nothingness within the confines of the episode... After all, they never say anything about "dead center", and it's never a plot point that the nearest star ought to be 100 ly away.

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Old February 4 2011, 08:12 PM   #11
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Besides whatever the acting issues were, the story suffers from an age-old problem in Star Trek: the problem of "this futuristic device that has revolutionized technology turns out to have been built by one guy, instead of, like, a whole team of scientists and engineers like what would happen in real-life." I mean, c'mon. This dude invented the transporters? That's about as unbelievable as a womanizing, drunk old man creating warp drive in his spare time in the aftermath of a nuclear war, when he's not passed out from boozing all night and listening to too much Steppenwolf.
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Old February 4 2011, 09:18 PM   #12
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Eh, Galileo was a bit of a lone wolf and look at what he did. And I'm sure he would have listened to too much Steppenwolf if given the option.
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Old February 4 2011, 09:19 PM   #13
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Eh, Galileo was a bit of a lone wolf and look at what he did. And I'm sure he would have listened to too much Steppenwolf if given the option.
You're comparing building telescopes to building a matter transporter?
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Old February 4 2011, 09:56 PM   #14
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It probably would be a project of roughly similar relative scope, yes.

Galileo had staff - two, three people. Erickson would have staff, too - perhaps two, three hundred people. Galileo built his telescope out of preexisting parts using preexisting research and design. Erickson would probably do the same. Galileo got his name in the history books, instead of the people who first invented the telescope or first applied it to astronomy, because his political patrons found that advantageous. Erickson would probably get credit for centuries of Vulcan research for the very same reason, too.

Whether Erickson would still be hailed two centuries later is debatable. An invention stolen from interstellar peers after Earth had already made first contact would have much less impact than an invention stolen from Earthly peers and applied in a manner that changed history forever.

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Old February 4 2011, 10:22 PM   #15
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Erickson would have staff, too - perhaps two, three hundred people.
That's my point: Where did it say that Erickson had a staff? IIRC, the episode implied that he created the transporter on his own.
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