CGI goddess RAPUNZEL from TANGLED appreciation thread.

[USS Triumphant]

melancholymecha wrote:

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I guess I need to see it again, i was kinda disapointed with it, it just seemed so generic & cookie cutter. I know there's not much love for the 2d animated films Disney made during the 2000's(Atlantis,Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Lilo & Stitch, etc...) but I actually thought those at least tried to do different things & break the norm.

There's not enough love for Atlantis, that I will grant you... but Lilo & Stitch? Really?! That is pretty wildly inconsistent with my experience. (Not sure if you did, but I had kids of the appropriate age in the 2000's, so that might color my view a bit.)

[JarodRussell]

Bishop76 wrote:

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Am I the only one a little bit creeped out by this thread?

I am a bit.

I haven't seen the movie, but this:



is maybe a cute little girl, but definately not a hot babe.

[Mr. Adventure]

She is a romantic interest in the film so she is meant to be a young lady not a young girl, it's just one on the very edge of the transition.

[Christopher]

^Like I said, most of the film is set on her 18th birthday. True, her features are a little infantilized with the smooth features and oversized eyes, but that's a pretty standard practice in cartoon caricatures, particularly of women (see Betty Boop or most any anime character). And it's not like there aren't real, adult women with childlike features. My best friend in college was so girlish-looking that she could pass for a teenager well into her 30s.

And like I said, it's rather shallow and sleazy to assume that our admiration for the character design and animation must be purely sexual. If someone waxes poetic about the beauty of the Mona Lisa, it doesn't mean they want to take the painting to bed. It means they admire it on an aesthetic level and appreciate the skill and inspiration of the artist. Rapunzel is an artistic creation, perhaps Glen Keane's greatest masterpiece as a character designer and animator. How is it wrong to admire the beauty of an artist's work?

[USS Triumphant]

Christopher wrote:

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My best friend in college was so girlish-looking that she could pass for a teenager well into her 30s.

My wife (35) got carded not too long ago for standing too close to the hentai section of a gaming/anime shop that we go to sometimes - and didn't have her license with her. She told me to tell the lady behind the counter that she was over 18, and I said, "I'ma tell your mama when we get home!"

[tharpdevenport]

Christopher wrote:

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What "left-leaning" stuff? Do you mean the environmental message? Did you know Richard Nixon founded the EPA? And of course Teddy Roosevelt was big on preserving nature. Before Reagan turned the Republicans into the party of big business, they were the pioneers of the environmentalist movement, seeing conservation as a logical outgrowth of conservatism. It's not a partisan message that it's a good idea to keep our home clean and livable. It's just common sense.

And one could just as easily read a "right-leaning" message into the film's critique of the effortless, coddled life aboard the starship; that could be seen as an allegory for the welfare system, with the message being that people need to reject handouts and embrace hard work.

Save the misrepresentations and misleading stuff for TNZ, sport.

[Mutara Nebula 1967]

melancholymecha wrote:

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I guess I need to see it again, i was kinda disapointed with it, it just seemed so generic & cookie cutter. I know there's not much love for the 2d animated films Disney made during the 2000's(Atlantis,Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Lilo & Stitch, etc...) but I actually thought those at least tried to do different things & break the norm.

Cookie cutter is NOT a description I would associate with TANGLED.
Here's a couple of points on why
FLYNN-the hero is an anti-hero. In the fairytale he was a Prince..here he is a thief with sticky fingers until you guessed it...he meets Rapunzel.

The villain MOTHER GOTHEL is not some completly iredeemdable well "cartoon villian". She has an AMBIGUITY to her actions that sets her apart from say a Cruellla Devil.

The Animals (with great personality) do NOT talk.

Those are just some example. Watch the DVD in March and you may truly reacess your judgement.

P.S. I saw there are some new pics at that site today. One has Rapunzel as a JEDI! That was pretty funny.

[Neroon]

tharpdevenport wrote:

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Save the misrepresentations and misleading stuff for TNZ, sport.

Likewise, only save it for another board altogether. No sense fomenting trouble between any of the forums on this board.

[ancientone51]

Christopher wrote:

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Am I the only one who thought that Rapunzel's frying pan made a much more entertaining "sidekick" than the chameleon? I dug the frying pan.

[Christopher]

tharpdevenport wrote:

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Save the misrepresentations and misleading stuff for TNZ, sport.

Don't call me a liar. I was merely trying to propose that there could be more than one way of interpreting the message of a film. My point is that not every story has a specific, intentional "right" or "left" slant, that some stories are just trying to tell entertaining stories and that any agenda one way or another that the individual may read into it reflects their own preconceptions and biases more than the actual intent of the story. I was trying to broaden your mind beyond partisanship, not to make a partisan assertion of my own.

[Neroon]

Christopher wrote:

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Don't call me a liar. I was merely trying to propose that there could be more than one way of interpreting the message of a film. My point is that not every story has a specific, intentional "right" or "left" slant, that some stories are just trying to tell entertaining stories and that any agenda one way or another that the individual may read into it reflects their own preconceptions and biases more than the actual intent of the story. I was trying to broaden your mind beyond partisanship, not to make a partisan assertion of my own.

I've already addressed this, so let's move on and back to the topic of this film.

[melancholymecha]

Mutara Nebula 1967 wrote:

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Cookie cutter is NOT a description I would associate with TANGLED.
Here's a couple of points on why
FLYNN-the hero is an anti-hero. In the fairytale he was a Prince..here he is a thief with sticky fingers until you guessed it...he meets Rapunzel.

The villain MOTHER GOTHEL is not some completly iredeemdable well "cartoon villian". She has an AMBIGUITY to her actions that sets her apart from say a Cruellla Devil.

The Animals (with great personality) do NOT talk.

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Flynn, he was ok but I think they could have pushed his anti-heroness more. I knew the minute I saw him he was gonna end up a nice guy at the end.
Gothel was good (great design) but the animals? the horse... this is the same damn horse that appears in almost every 2d Disney film! there needs to be a moratorium on sidekick horses. and what was the point of the chameleon other than to sell plush toys?

Another thing that bugged me is that they ruined Alan Menken's songs for Rapunzel by turning them into pop drivel(switching Chenowith with Moore was a big mistake but hey I bet it helped sell more tickets to tweens like they wanted). Oh & I really think this movie should have been hand drawn & not cgi in the first place like it was orignally intended to be, but thats for another thread.

[Mutara Nebula 1967]

melancholymecha wrote:

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Flynn, he was ok but I think they could have pushed his anti-heroness more. I knew the minute I saw him he was gonna end up a nice guy at the end.
Gothel was good (great design) but the animals? the horse... this is the same damn horse that appears in almost every 2d Disney film! there needs to be a moratorium on sidekick horses. and what was the point of the chameleon other than to sell plush toys?

Another thing that bugged me is that they ruined Alan Menken's songs for Rapunzel by turning them into pop drivel(switching Chenowith with Moore was a big mistake but hey I bet it helped sell more tickets to tweens like they wanted). Oh & I really think this movie should have been hand drawn & not cgi in the first place like it was orignally intended to be, but thats for another thread.

Hi
I will agree with you on the score as I would have prefered a more '"Orchestral" score over pop tunes that while good ultimatly are not completly memorable.

As for the CGI-I listened to a podcast from the UK premier of TANGLED (which you can find at the ALL THINGS RAPUNZEL part of the blog found here

http://rapunzelpictureparadise.wordp...-and-rapunzel/

in which the producers reveal an old timer at Disney revealed that Walt Disney himself declared RAPUNZEL too tough a nut to crack (which we can infer was 2D since that was all that was available to Walt back in the studio heydey) So in other words this film NEEDED to wait for the invention of CGI to capture that glorious hair of hers and all its uses.

On the same podcast the MAXIMAS is addressed. Orginally MAX was suppose to be a DOG but was changed to a horse. I think that was the right call as we got the humor of a horse ACTING like a dog. Pascal well...he is stricly a PLOT DEVICE to enable Rapunzel to interact with something when FLYNN and GOTHEL were not present.

[Mutara Nebula 1967]

(Note to Mods-I hope you won't give me an infraction for two posts in a row even if they are months apart-I wanted to bring this back because the DVD is out NOW)

The TANGLED DVD is finally out!

Just wanted to say that if you MISSED this movie when it was having its THEATRICAL run...now you have the chance to check it out via the DVD.

If you dimisses this as a kids movie when it came out you will be pleasently surprised to find there's a lot for adults to love in it too.

So if you have a chance to pick it up or rent it you will find that Walt Disney animation returned to its finest form for its 50th movie.

(And no I don't work for Disney- I just want to get the word out when a REALLY good movie comes along after wading through such wonders as I AM NUMBER FOR etc)
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[Worf2DS9]

^ I see your enthusiasm hasn't waned since the thread started.

I definitely plan to check the movie out On-Demand this weekend. Looks good!