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Old February 7 2011, 08:44 PM   #61
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Re: Official Description and Cover up for DTI: Watching the Clock

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That's outside the DTI's jurisdiction. It happened in a timeline they don't have access to and have no knowledge of.
Dulmur (or was it Lucsly?) has knowledge of it. He told Jake Sisko as much in Needs of the Many.
Star Trek Online is a separate continuity from the regular books.
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Old February 7 2011, 08:57 PM   #62
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That's outside the DTI's jurisdiction. It happened in a timeline they don't have access to and have no knowledge of.
Does the DTI already have the ability to detect changes in their own timeline? Even with just 24th century technology.
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Old February 7 2011, 09:00 PM   #63
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The DTI novel isn't set in the same continuity as Needs, though.
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Star Trek Online is a separate continuity from the regular books.
See, that's the problem! If the DTI was doing its job, it would be on top of all of this.
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Old February 7 2011, 09:47 PM   #64
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That's outside the DTI's jurisdiction. It happened in a timeline they don't have access to and have no knowledge of.
Dulmur (or was it Lucsly?) has knowledge of it. He told Jake Sisko as much in Needs of the Many.
That interpretation of Lucsly, "Dulmer" (as it was spelled there), and the DTI served Mike Martin's purposes for that particular book, but my purposes were served by going in an unrelated direction. There are no points of continuity between TNotM and DTI:WTC.

Not only that...what about the Federation timeships from the 29th century? I assume those grew out of the DTI.
Did they? DTI is civilian. The 29th-century timeships are (or will be) Starfleet.

Also, its triggering event happens five years after this novel. And as far as the Abrams timeline goes, its DTI presumably wouldn't even exist yet in the timeframe of the 2009 movie -- although it or an equivalent agency might be founded sooner in that timeline as a reaction to Nero's attacks.
Cool, is this point addressed in the novel? I ask because every other time there's been a temporal incursion, Starfleet's gone out of its way to fix it, even if the changes were relatively minor.
I can't explicitly address it, since the novel is told from the perspective of people in 2381-2, so they would have no way of knowing what would happen 5 years later, let alone what would happen in a separate timeline's past as a consequence of that future event. But once you've read the novel, you should be able to deduce why there's no need to "fix" anything involving that timeline, and why people in the Prime timeline wouldn't necessarily know it even exists.


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Does the DTI already have the ability to detect changes in their own timeline? Even with just 24th century technology.
In their own timeline, yes; see "Gods, Fate, and Fractals." But if a separate timeline branches off in parallel without affecting theirs, there's no reason they'd know about it.
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Old February 8 2011, 02:47 AM   #65
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How can the DTI tell if an incursion is going to affect their own timeline, or someone else's? Especially if someone from their own time is responsible?
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Old February 8 2011, 02:50 AM   #66
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Re: Official Description and Cover up for DTI: Watching the Clock

Like they did in that Jean Claude van Damme Timecop movie.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:43 AM   #67
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How can the DTI tell if an incursion is going to affect their own timeline, or someone else's? Especially if someone from their own time is responsible?
Well, if it affects someone else's timeline, they won't know about it anyway, and it won't matter to them. Their job is to protect their timeline. Dealing with problems in an independent timeline is the responsibility of that timeline's version of the DTI or other temporal agency.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:46 AM   #68
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Gotcha. Thanks for clearing it up. Interesting to see just far their jurisdiction goes.

Is Daniels a future DTI agent, perhaps?
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Old February 8 2011, 03:51 AM   #69
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Daniels was referred to as a Temporal Agent working for the Federation. Whatever his agency's ancestry, it evidently doesn't have the same name as the DTI -- and has a much more activist approach to time.
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Old February 8 2011, 06:23 AM   #70
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Re: Official Description and Cover up for DTI: Watching the Clock

I can't remember, did you or didn't you say that there is no time travel by the DTI? I've read some other stuff that seemed to assume that they did, but I think I remember you saying somewhere that they don't actually do any time traveling themselves.
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Old February 8 2011, 08:54 AM   #71
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Now I remember why the book's cover (which looks really good) seemed rather familiar...

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Old February 8 2011, 11:28 AM   #72
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I'm not a big fan of the TCW (unless the nature of it is explained in this novel, I'm still not even sure what the hell it was supposed to be about).
I always interpreted it as a conflict between two powers far in the future, both subtly trying to manipulate different points in history to shape their present so that they come out on top without a shot fired between them in real time.
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Old February 8 2011, 02:14 PM   #73
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Oh, I got that - they just never seemed to have any driving purpose or REASON behind what they were doing. Didn't seem to be a whole lot of motivation. They just seemed to be shotgun blasting the past for some nebulous future reason. And wasn't shadow guy from the 26th century and Daniels from the 29th? How does a war even break out between centuries? There are just a lot of unexplained inconsistent things that really need a LOT of explaining for the TCW to make sense.
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Re: Official Description and Cover up for DTI: Watching the Clock

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Oh, I got that - they just never seemed to have any driving purpose or REASON behind what they were doing. Didn't seem to be a whole lot of motivation. They just seemed to be shotgun blasting the past for some nebulous future reason. And wasn't shadow guy from the 26th century and Daniels from the 29th? How does a war even break out between centuries? There are just a lot of unexplained inconsistent things that really need a LOT of explaining for the TCW to make sense.
Which is what Christopher will try to do. When he gets all sciencey on a subject's ass, you know we're in for one hell of a good ride.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:18 PM   #75
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Daniels was referred to as a Temporal Agent working for the Federation. Whatever his agency's ancestry, it evidently doesn't have the same name as the DTI -- and has a much more activist approach to time.
Eesh. So we've possibly got three different groups handling time crimes by the 31st century! (DTI, Starfleet timeships, Daniels' group) I wonder if they ever cross paths, or screw up each others' work?
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