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Old February 22 2011, 04:16 PM   #586
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Please let this be true. I would love to see Kostner as Johnathan Kent. I would love to see him make another come back, he deserves it.
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Old February 22 2011, 04:16 PM   #587
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No one said it was mandatory for him to die. He died last year in the comics in the "New Krypton" storyline to provide more emotional conflict for Clark. "Smallville" "copying" "Superman: The Movie" is a little harsh statement in my opinion since the series has paid homage to the movie in various ways.
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Old February 22 2011, 04:28 PM   #588
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^ I always felt that Jonathan was killed off in Smallville because of criticisms which Schneider had aimed at the writing on the show.
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Old February 22 2011, 04:40 PM   #589
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I don't know about the behind the scenes reasons why he was killed off. Some fans speculated at the time it was just a shock move to gain ratings for their anniversary episode. The whole episode was kind of a homage to "Superman: The Movie". With Clark changing time and losing Jonathon.
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Old February 23 2011, 08:17 AM   #590
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Jonathan dying and Martha (or Ma Kent) surviving isn't unique to the Donner movie. [examples follow]
Granted, but the point is, there have also been plenty of Superman stories over the past 25 years in which Jonathan Kent has been alive and well: the comics from The Man of Steel until recently, the '88 Ruby-Spears animated series, Lois & Clark, the DC Animated Universe. It's anything but mandatory for Jonathan to die.
I understood the point, and I wasn't disputing it. I wanted to address an inaccuracy in your statement and take the opportunity to provide a deeper clarification of the history behind Jonathan Kent's death and its impact on the Superman mythos.

There are both pros and cons in keeping Jonathan alive or in killing him. In the end, it depends on the type of story being told.
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Old February 23 2011, 06:30 PM   #591
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Jonathan dying and Martha (or Ma Kent) surviving isn't unique to the Donner movie. [examples follow]
Granted, but the point is, there have also been plenty of Superman stories over the past 25 years in which Jonathan Kent has been alive and well: the comics from The Man of Steel until recently, the '88 Ruby-Spears animated series, Lois & Clark, the DC Animated Universe. It's anything but mandatory for Jonathan to die.

He was also alive and well in the Lois & Clark tv show.
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Old February 23 2011, 06:40 PM   #592
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^Which I did mention in there.
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Old February 23 2011, 08:48 PM   #593
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Betcha he'll be Perry White.
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Old February 23 2011, 08:50 PM   #594
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I originally was thinking Perry White until Jackson Archer suggested to me that he'd be a great Jonathon Kent.
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Old February 23 2011, 09:26 PM   #595
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Actually after thinking about he most resembles the Pa Kent from "Birthright" and "Secret Origins". This intrigues the hell out of me.
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I originally was thinking Perry White until Jackson Archer suggested to me that he'd be a great Jonathon Kent.
I detect an inconsistency! You failed to mention JA first time out! You changed your mind after I suggested Jonathan Kent, admit it?!
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Old February 23 2011, 09:35 PM   #596
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LOL. To be honest Jackson mentioned it to me on facebook but very well yes here it was you that changed my mind when you mentioned it!!! LOL
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Old February 23 2011, 09:49 PM   #597
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^ Ha! You should have known I'd be far too vainglorious to let that go!
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I like to be diplomatic
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Old February 23 2011, 10:38 PM   #599
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They're following the Batman Begins playbook. His fake identity will be Jonathan Kent, then in the third act he'll reveal himself to be Brainiac.
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Old February 23 2011, 10:45 PM   #600
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That's a somewhat ironic joke since in the New Krypton storyline Jonathon dies while Superman is engaged fighting Brainiac. Clark blamed himself that he couldn't save his father and beat the shit out of Brainiac at the same time.
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