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Old February 22 2011, 02:10 AM   #571
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Martha in particular. I look forward to seeing who is cast to play her.
Some have suggested Costner's Open Range co-star, Annette Bening. I can see it.
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Old February 22 2011, 02:10 AM   #572
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That would be interesting.
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Old February 22 2011, 02:12 AM   #573
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Patricia Clarkson would also make a really good Martha Kent.
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Old February 22 2011, 02:25 AM   #574
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I was thinking Glenn Close would be a great Martha, maybe Laura Linney too.
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Old February 22 2011, 02:27 AM   #575
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Martha in particular. I look forward to seeing who is cast to play her.
Some have suggested Costner's Open Range co-star, Annette Bening. I can see it.
She would be my first pick as well.
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Old February 22 2011, 02:44 AM   #576
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So with a bigger name like Costner should we assume that Jonathan Kent is going to be alive for awhile(at least one potential sequel) before he's taken by natural causes?
If this is an origins movie like has been reported, they will likely want to distance themselves from Donner's movie as much as possible, meaning it is quite possible Pa Kent will remain alive by the end of the film.
Indeed. Keep in mind that from the John Byrne reboot in the '80s until a couple of years ago, both Jonathan and Martha were alive and well in the comics' present day. And before that, both Ma and Pa Kent died before Clark moved to Metropolis. The premise of Jonathan dying and Martha surviving was unique to the Donner movie, until Smallville copied it and the comics subsequently copied both of those. It is certainly not a standard or obligatory part of the Superman story for Jonathan Kent to die.
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Old February 22 2011, 03:04 AM   #577
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Normally I'm not a big Costner fan, but for some reason I'm liking the idea of him as Jonathan Kent.
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Old February 22 2011, 03:32 AM   #578
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Normally I'm not a big Costner fan, but for some reason I'm liking the idea of him as Jonathan Kent.
Kevin Costner can actually be pretty good playing everyman types, so this role could suit him.
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You think Meryl Streep would ever take the gig as Martha?
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Old February 22 2011, 07:18 AM   #580
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I like the idea of Costner as Jonathan. If this is gonna wind up true, I'll be happy with it.

Since we're shooting names of suitable actresses for Martha around, how about Susan Sarandon?

Oh, and an idea I had several years ago and still love: Michael C. Hall for Lex!
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Kevin Costner for Jonathan, Susan Sarandon for Martha and Tim Robbins for Lex! .
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Old February 22 2011, 07:49 AM   #582
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Susan Sarandon for Martha and Tim Robbins for Lex! .
Now, that would feel odd.
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So with a bigger name like Costner should we assume that Jonathan Kent is going to be alive for awhile(at least one potential sequel) before he's taken by natural causes?
If this is an origins movie like has been reported, they will likely want to distance themselves from Donner's movie as much as possible, meaning it is quite possible Pa Kent will remain alive by the end of the film.
Indeed. Keep in mind that from the John Byrne reboot in the '80s until a couple of years ago, both Jonathan and Martha were alive and well in the comics' present day. And before that, both Ma and Pa Kent died before Clark moved to Metropolis. The premise of Jonathan dying and Martha surviving was unique to the Donner movie, until Smallville copied it and the comics subsequently copied both of those. It is certainly not a standard or obligatory part of the Superman story for Jonathan Kent to die.
Jonathan dying and Martha (or Ma Kent) surviving isn't unique to the Donner movie.

The first episode of The Adventures of Superman has Ma Kent — aka Sara Kent in this version — outliving Pa Kent (or Eben Kent).

Ma Kent sees Clark off at the bus depot, before he heads off to Metropolis. She reminds him of the "super" suit that she sewed from his baby blankets. (IIRC, it is also the first time it's mentioned that Ma Kent made his uniform, which was quickly carried over into the comics.)


Nevertheless, most accounts, including Tom DeHaven's It's Superman novel, have Martha dying first.

Of course, Jonathan Kent's death has long been an important lesson for a young Clark long before Donner's movie or Smallville.

Superman No. 53/1, also portrays Clark Kent as having already attained manhood by the time of the Kent’s death. And, while it is vague concerning the exact chronology of the event, it does establish for the first time that Martha Kent died first as well as chronicling the deathbed conversation between Jonathan Kent and his foster son that would ultimately serve as the model for all future recapitulations of the event.

“No man on Earth has the amazing powers you have,” whispered Jonathan Kent, his last strength fast fading.

“You can use them to become a powerful force for good!”

“How, Dad?” asked Clark.

“There are evil men in this world,” replied Jonathan Kent, “...criminals and outlaws who prey on decent folk! You must fight them...in cooperation with the law!

“To fight criminals best, you must hide your true identity! They must never know Clark Kent is a ... a super-man! Remember, because that’s what you are...a superman! (Jul/Aug 1948: “The Origin of Superman!”).

Action Comics No. 158 recapitulates the deathbed scene, still portraying Clark Kent as “a grown man” at the time of his foster parents’ passing but now incorporating the element, inconsistant in the chronicles, of Clark’s having already passed his boyhood and adolescence performing super-heroics as Superboy.

“Clark,” intoned the dying Jonathan Kent, “your super-powers made you a champion of right as Superboy! Now you must continue your role as Superman--but always keep your true identity hidden!”

“I will!” replied Clark. “I’ll keep on wearing these glasses and appear timid, so no one will guess my secret!” (Jul 1951: “The Kid from Krypton!”).

Superman No. 146/1 confirms, by and large, all the previous accounts, adding only that the Kents died shortly following Clark Kent’s return home to Smallville following his graduation from college, and that Martha Kent’s death preceded her husband’s by several months (Jul 1961: “The Story of Superman’s Life!”).

The account of the Kents’ death contained in Superman No. 161/1 (May 1963: “The Last Days of Ma and Pa Kent!”) represents a significant break with the earlier chronicles, the Kents are portrayed as having passed away within hours of one another, while Clark Kent was still an adolescent—shortly after unearthing an early eighteenth-century pirate chest contaminated with the germs of a rare “fever plague” while vacationing on an island somewhere in the Caribbean. Fatally stricken by this “strange malady,” a disease for which there is no known cure, the Kents lapse into a coma and die within less than twenty-four hours, although Jonathan Kent does regain consciousness long enough to urge his foster so to “always use your super-powers to do good... uphold law and order, “ and then whisper, “Good luck, my son ... and goodbye!” The Kents here show none of the youth bestowed on them in a later story (SB No. 145, Mar 1968: "The Fantastic Faces!").

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And in 1973, the origin of Superman was once again re-told and included the deathbed scene with a line that is similar to the one spoken by a young Clark in Superman: The Movie.
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I have to say I really like the idea of Kevin Costner has Jonathan Kent.
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Old February 22 2011, 03:20 PM   #585
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Jonathan dying and Martha (or Ma Kent) surviving isn't unique to the Donner movie. [examples follow]
Granted, but the point is, there have also been plenty of Superman stories over the past 25 years in which Jonathan Kent has been alive and well: the comics from The Man of Steel until recently, the '88 Ruby-Spears animated series, Lois & Clark, the DC Animated Universe. It's anything but mandatory for Jonathan to die.
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