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Old February 17 2011, 06:50 PM   #496
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If no one understands the meaning of the article than that's pretty funny in it's self. It's amusing that was the thing that was plucked out of it. I think I made my point pretty clear and you guys are for some reason twisting my words...
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Old February 17 2011, 07:00 PM   #497
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It's not necessarily a modern replica of the Christopher Reeve costume. It could be a contemporaneous replica of the Reeve costume, but one that he didn't actually wear. They probably have a lot of copies of that costume still in storage at WB. As for why the EW writer called it dated, well, we can't get clarity on that since the writer isn't here to answer our questions, so we can only offer opinions as to whether we agree or disagree with the description.
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Old February 17 2011, 07:01 PM   #498
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If no one understands the meaning of the article than that's pretty funny in it's self. It's amusing that was the thing that was plucked out of it. I think I made my point pretty clear and you guys are for some reason twisting my words...
Okay, I went back to the original quote and your interpretation of it, and I think the crux of what you're saying is that when the original quote says "wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit," it's only using the word "dated" to refer to the original suit, not to the replica. Is that about right?

But the problem there is, how are you defining the meaning of the word "dated?" If it's a replica of the Reeve costume specifically, then it follows that it has the same design and construction as that costume. The only difference between the original and the replica would be that one is older than the other. But as I've explained, "dated" does not simply mean old or physically worn out. It means outmoded in design or concept. If the original costume is now considered dated, then the replica would be equally dated, regardless of how much newer it was.
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Old February 17 2011, 07:06 PM   #499
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That question as pointed out can't be answered since we'd only be using speculation and assumption to answer it. In that regards I'm amusing that the writer did indeed mean "old" in this case. I personally don't think it really mattes either way. They were just using it as a test costume for an audition after all.
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It's too complicated and high-tech. It's absurd that a lower-middle-class high-school student could create something like that.
I'd rather suspend disbelief on that point and have a slick, professional costume rather than watch a movie with a Spidey costume that looks like something a lower-middle income high school student could realistically come up with (which, let's face it, wouldn't be much).
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Old February 17 2011, 07:12 PM   #501
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I didn't mind the Returns suit. They used a modified version of it during Geoff Johns early Action Comics run. Adam Kubert did the design of it. Then when Gary Frank came aboard during the later arcs he based his design on the Reeves costume. Given how Snyder stated that his favorite artists were Jim Lee and Curt Swan I'd say we are going to get a costume design inspired by those two.
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Old February 17 2011, 07:13 PM   #502
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I can see what they meant by "dated". While nothing is inherently wrong with the design of the costume, the color scheme can be a little too 70s pastel (particularly the blue) for a modern audience.

Then again, perhaps Snyder was using the term "dated" colloquially.

It is funny the things fans get their panties in a bunch over.
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Given how Snyder stated that his favorite artists were Jim Lee and Curt Swan I'd say we are going to get a costume design inspired by those two.
I think we're going to get a much bigger S shield this time around in particular.
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Old February 17 2011, 07:17 PM   #504
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Agreed. That was my main problem with the Returns suit. The House of El crest needs to be prominent on the chest. I liked it on the belt buckle. It was also all over the suit, and boots.

Broc...it wasn't Snyder who used the term "dated" it was the writer of the article.
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Old February 17 2011, 07:26 PM   #505
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Broc...it wasn't Snyder who used the term "dated" it was the writer of the article.
You keep your "facts" to yourself, sir!
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Old February 17 2011, 07:29 PM   #506
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Okay!! I just might (shakes fist!)
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Hey just so long he wears his red undies over his blue tights and has some quip explaining why, I'll be a happy camper.

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Okay. My point was that the article wasn't "dissing" the design of the costume as Christopher seemed to think that they were...it was referring to the costume it's self and captaindemotion you know what I was meaning. It's a replica of the costume, not the exact costume.
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Okay. My point was that the article wasn't "dissing" the design of the costume as Christopher seemed to think that they were...it was referring to the costume it's self and captaindemotion you know what I was meaning. It's a replica of the costume, not the exact costume.
But your point contradicts itself. If it's a modern replica, then the only thing that could be dated about it is its design. So whether it's a replica or not has nothing to do with the question: what specifically about it do they consider to be dated?
I actually didn't know what you meant Admiral. I had the same confusion Christopher did. But as you say, it's the writer of the piece's fault.
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Well if it was a halfway decent replica, it would be made out of the same thin material, with the same 70s colors, the same large shorts, the same stripper boots, etc. Hence, "dated."

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I'd rather suspend disbelief on that point and have a slick, professional costume rather than watch a movie with a Spidey costume that looks like something a lower-middle income high school student could realistically come up with (which, let's face it, wouldn't be much).
Ha ha, agreed.
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Well if it was a halfway decent replica, it would be made out of the same thin material, with the same 70s colors, the same large shorts, the same stripper boots, etc. Hence, "dated."
I really don't get fashion. I don't understand how something can look good in one decade yet look bad in a later one. Surely quality or beauty is timeless. Would anyone criticize a rainbow or a sunflower for using last year's colors? If something is deemed inferior just because it isn't current, that's got nothing to do with aesthetics or quality, merely with conformity.

That said, I decided to compare photos of Reeve's costume and Dean Cain's costume from Lois & Clark. I don't see any material differences in design aside from the shape of the belt buckle and the shape of the boots. Maybe Cain's shorts are a tiny bit smaller, but not so you'd notice. As for the colors, the Cain costume's hues do appear to be richer, which I do consider nicer because I like richer colors, but that's got nothing to do with decades or fashions; I liked them just as much 30 years ago. Then again, one can't always trust the colors in photographs, particularly clips from old films. The processes used to transfer film onto video in the '70s and '80s tended to wash out the colors, so that audiences have grown up thinking those films had blander colors than they actually did. I know this is the case with Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and therefore it stands to reason that the same would be true of its near-contemporary Superman films. So the apparent difference in colors should be taken with a grain of salt.

I will grant that the construction of the Reeve costume seems simpler, the materials and stitching and so forth. I suppose that might be called "dated" if it represents an actual improvement in technique and materials, rather than merely a difference in the degree of care or workmanship involved.

As for Routh's costume, it looks to me as if his shorts are actually bigger than Reeve's (and no, not in that sense, just in that the cut of the leg holes is lower). The boots are smaller, but I don't know or care enough about fashion to understand what, if anything, that has to do with the date on which the costume was designed. The belt buckle is replaced with an additional S shield, which merely seems redundant rather than "modern." And the colors are too subdued, maroon replacing red. I understand the value of using darker colors on the big screen, but this goes too far at the cost of aesthetics. The colors aren't richer, just duller. Well, the blue's not bad, but the maroon isn't good at all -- and if anything, seems even more "dated," like the kind of color they might've used in the '40s or '50s. As for the chest shield, its small size evokes the Superman comics and cartoons of the early '40s, and its faceted look suggests Art Deco more than modernity. (And it doesn't make a lot of sense. How does Clark hide a protruding, textured chest shield under his shirt? It's implausible enough with just the bright colors and the cape.) So I don't see how this represents a fundamentally more "modern" design than the Reeve costume, except perhaps in the construction techniques and materials.


On the subject of Spider-Man's costume, I wouldn't have minded seeing Peter get an intermediate costume with a "homemade" look but the same basic design, and then use the winnings from his wrestling career to get the fancy one made. But since they truncated the origin so that Uncle Ben's death came after his first and only wrestling bout, that wasn't really an option. I'm hoping the new film will do something like that, but I still don't like that rubbery costume they're using.
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