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Old April 20 2012, 10:33 PM   #4351
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That was lame and I believe someone did post actual set photos from that part of the shot. It's funny they're still continuing to use that fan made poster lol.
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Old May 16 2012, 08:49 PM   #4352
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Bump! I'm rather surprised that no-one had mentioned this yet, as it's been all over a few other sites. It comes from an IMDB message board and thus should be taken with a pinch of salt. But if true, it contains spoilers for a few action scenes in the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/...read/199084903
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Old May 17 2012, 03:00 AM   #4353
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Sounds pretty cool to me.
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Old May 17 2012, 03:16 AM   #4354
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Clearly you don't understand - Snyder is speeding up/slowing down an action shot. Ruined Forever!
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Old May 17 2012, 04:00 PM   #4355
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I never understood the problem people have with that effect. I think it looks dynamic and cool as hell.

It's only when Snyder makes the entire movie look that stylized and overly-choreographed that things start to go wrong (and characters suddenly look like just props in a music video).
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Old May 17 2012, 04:05 PM   #4356
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Bump! I'm rather surprised that no-one had mentioned this yet, as it's been all over a few other sites. It comes from an IMDB message board and thus should be taken with a pinch of salt. But if true, it contains spoilers for a few action scenes in the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/...read/199084903
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Old May 17 2012, 06:36 PM   #4357
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I never understood the problem people have with that effect. I think it looks dynamic and cool as hell.

It's only when Snyder makes the entire movie look that stylized and overly-choreographed that things start to go wrong (and characters suddenly look like just props in a music video).
Because it shows a lack of subtlety and creativity. It also shows a lack of restraint or an appreciation of the art form.

On the Terminator 2 commentary, James Cameron made a comment that he doesn't use slow motion during action scenes, and least not often. But he WILL use slow motion to build to an action scene but the action itself will play out normally. Imagine the scene in T2 where Sarah sees Uncle John for the first time. That was in slow mo, and was perfect. But when Uncle John beats up the security guards assaulting her, that's played real. If Cameron had sped up and slowed down and sped up that moment simply because it was a cool-looking gimmick it would have been sloppy story-telling and it would have drawn too much attention to itself. "looook! Here's the director working! Check out that style!"

Cameron and Peter Jackson and echelons above Snyder as true story tellers. Snyder is more interested in gimmickry.
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Old May 17 2012, 07:15 PM   #4358
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The use of slow motion in cases like this always reminds me of the Six Million Dollar Man. That was hokey at the time. I have never seen "bullet time" as any more than a more glossy modern take of the same idea. But still unimaginative. To me it drains super speed of real excitment
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Old May 17 2012, 07:22 PM   #4359
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It's like anything else in movie-making - it's simply a tool, a technique in the movie-maker's kitbox. It can be used well, it can be used badly. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to make a sweeping assertion about its validity.
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Old May 17 2012, 07:28 PM   #4360
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Yeah, I agree. I was never impressed with Bullet time. It seems like such a pedestrian way to make a scene without any inherent emotion seem exciting, but for me, it has the opposite effect. in any case, if they are so desperate that they need to use bullet time to ellicit an emotion out of the viewer, they have forgotten about real story-telling. i even hate when bullet time-type shots are used in films I kind of like (like I, Robot) because it's so distracting.

Here's the thing about slow motion. it only only works when it punctuates a story point. When the orcs and goblins break down the door to Balin's tomb in FOTR that battle is shown in real time as a real battle where you can't even count the number of foes that are there.. it only goes to slow-motion when Frodo is injured.

I almost think that doing that wasn't necessary, but at least Jackson wasn't doing it just because it looked cool.
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Old May 17 2012, 07:29 PM   #4361
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It's like anything else in movie-making - it's simply a tool, a technique in the movie-maker's kitbox. It can be used well, it can be used badly. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to make a sweeping assertion about its validity.
When does the slow-down-speed-up-slow-down method used by Snyder really become a story-telling tool? i mean, when we see Silk Specter's hair wave about about as she rescues children?
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Old May 17 2012, 08:00 PM   #4362
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Well if a Flash movie ever gets made expect lots of "bullet time" I'd imagine.
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Old May 17 2012, 08:27 PM   #4363
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It's like anything else in movie-making - it's simply a tool, a technique in the movie-maker's kitbox. It can be used well, it can be used badly. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to make a sweeping assertion about its validity.
When does the slow-down-speed-up-slow-down method used by Snyder really become a story-telling tool? i mean, when we see Silk Specter's hair wave about about as she rescues children?
I never used the expression 'story-telling tool.' I said that 'it's simply a tool, a technique in the movie maker's kitbox' and went on to say that it can be used well or badly and that it made no sense to make a sweeping assertion about its validity.

You're proving my point - you're highlighting one example of it being used badly (I don't remember the specific scene, but for the sake of argument I'll go along with you) and then are using it to use the techique as a whole.

One may as well use e.g. the bad CGI in Die Another Day to attack the use of CGI as a whole.
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Old May 17 2012, 08:42 PM   #4364
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Because it shows a lack of subtlety and creativity. It also shows a lack of restraint or an appreciation of the art form.
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Old May 17 2012, 09:34 PM   #4365
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Well if a Flash movie ever gets made expect lots of "bullet time" I'd imagine.
I am not sure why but that would seem to work better with The Flash than Superman.

I not sure if this has been tried - How about alternating between the POV of Superman and Zod, which would be in "bullet time", to the POV of Humans. Which would be a super speed up blur. Inter-cutting of the same event from different perspectives within the same scene.

Or along similar lines, see blurred motions but with camera shots of still images intercut to clarify the action. It could be done from the POV of Jimmy Olsen taking high speed stills. The human characters would not know what is happening until the snapped shots can be viewed later. But we the audience would view the images in real time.
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