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Old December 16 2011, 03:51 PM   #3916
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^ Well, we never got one to Superman Returns, did we?
True...even though I really liked that movie...despite its flaws. But somehow I have it in my mind that Man of Steel will be better and so i think the chances that it won't get a sequel are low. But I could be very wrong!
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Old December 16 2011, 04:04 PM   #3917
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^ Well, we never got one to Superman Returns, did we?
True...even though I really liked that movie...despite its flaws. But somehow I have it in my mind that Man of Steel will be better and so i think the chances that it won't get a sequel are low. But I could be very wrong!
Pre-release the same things were said of Superman Returns.
It's been mostly the same type gripes.
Bosworth and Adams both taking fire as Lois.
The costume being scrutinized.
The use of primary villain.

While the studio will say the typical "plans for a sequel are underway" announcement it means squat till a few weeks of box office receipts start showing up.
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Old December 16 2011, 04:08 PM   #3918
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I was excited when I heard Kevin Spacey was going to be Luthor...then disappointed to discover he was DonnerVerse Luthor.
He was a considerably darker and more menacing guy, though, even when he was supposed to be funny.

And Spacey committed.
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Old December 16 2011, 04:11 PM   #3919
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^ Oh yeah, the 'WROOOOOOOONNGGGGGGGGG' bit was definitely more sinister than anything Hackman ever came out with. And he looked really sadistic when he stuck that Kryptonite shiv in Superman.
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Old December 16 2011, 04:19 PM   #3920
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I really thought Spacey nailed the character of Luthor. Hackman's portrayal seems very comedic now in comparison.
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Old December 16 2011, 06:20 PM   #3921
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I don't want the corporate mogul. I want the guy in Maggin's "Last Son of Krypton" novel...or the one in "All Star Superman"...or the one in the later season of JLU
Agreed. Aside from Clancy Brown's excellent voicework on STAS, I was never all that crazy about the corporate Luthor. And frankly, after 25 years of it, I now find it just as boring as the Donnerverse Luthor.
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Old December 16 2011, 06:39 PM   #3922
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Yep, she's too old and ugly.
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Old December 16 2011, 07:28 PM   #3923
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I don't want the corporate mogul. I want the guy in Maggin's "Last Son of Krypton" novel...or the one in "All Star Superman"...or the one in the later season of JLU
Agreed. Aside from Clancy Brown's excellent voicework on STAS, I was never all that crazy about the corporate Luthor. And frankly, after 25 years of it, I now find it just as boring as the Donnerverse Luthor.
How should Luthor be redefined now?
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Old December 17 2011, 12:08 AM   #3924
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Hackman Luthor was sinister when he wanted to be as well. The scene from "Superman: The Movie" when he's explaining his missile/earthquake plan to Superman he's menacing as ever. He's also cold as hell when he puts the Kryptonite chain around Clark and leaves him there.
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Old December 17 2011, 01:38 AM   #3925
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The strange this is, as jokey and light-hearted as many of Hackman's scenes are, I've never had a problem buying him as a threat to Superman in those movies.

Maybe because (much like with Nicholson) there's always an underlying menace and intelligence beneath everything Hackman says. It's not just simple goofing around.

That and the fact that, oh yeah, it's a comic book movie. I frankly find most comic book villains kind of ridiculous and far-fetched in these movies. Whether it's Luthor, Red Skull, or the Joker.
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Old December 17 2011, 02:16 AM   #3926
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I like Hackman in the first movie, too. The ultrasonic message about the poison gas to lure Superman, and the follow-up about it being in the back of his mind, was another scene done well, I thought. I also like his delivery when he deduces the existence of Kryptonite.

If Otis had been written as less of a total buffoon and more deadly, Beatty could have done wonders with the part.
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Old December 17 2011, 06:03 AM   #3927
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The scene from "Superman: The Movie" when he's explaining his missile/earthquake plan to Superman he's menacing as ever.
I don't find him so at all - a little genial edge in his voice doesn't make him less of a goofball. The character simply had no dramatic weight. None.

I also prefer the corporate Luthor; he's a great deal easier to buy as a threat.
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Old December 17 2011, 06:27 AM   #3928
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Here is a look at the mercifully abandoned Tim Burton project Superman Lives.

Wow.

Nic Cage as Superman, Chris Rock as Jimmy Olson, Tim Allen as Brainiac and Woody Harrelson as Jor-El???
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Old December 17 2011, 07:32 AM   #3929
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Woody would have made an interesting Jor-El. He's great in "serious" roles.
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Old December 17 2011, 08:42 AM   #3930
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Here is a look at the mercifully abandoned Tim Burton project Superman Lives.

Wow.

Nic Cage as Superman, Chris Rock as Jimmy Olson, Tim Allen as Brainiac and Woody Harrelson as Jor-El???
It keeps getting uglier and uglier.
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