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Old October 17 2011, 12:29 AM   #3631
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Joe Kelly's work was brilliant on JLA? Since when? That's praise that I don't remember during his run from the majority of fans I talked to. The only interesting thing that he ever did on JLA was tease the Batman and Wonder Woman relationship, which was also of course being teased on "Justice League Unlimited" at the time. I remember the rumour was that DC brass didn't want these two getting together romantically for whatever reason and nixed both arcs. JLA #90 is one of my favourite issues since it gives a peak into possible relationship timelines. Probably my favourite piece of Kelly's work.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:44 AM   #3632
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Because one is technological/physical, and the other is social.
That is a completely unpersuasive and silly attempt to draw a meaningless distinction.
Since this is the way I see it, your comment almost comes of as insulting.

Superman flying: buy it.
Superman taking a human to the moon without oxygen: stupid.
Superman being obviously Clark Kent's "twin brother" and nobody recognizing it: stupid.

Ships flying faster than light: buy it.
Red Matter: buy it.
Promoting cadet to captain after one mission: stupid.

Alien robots with personalities transforming into cars: buy it.
A human getting hit by such a robot's punch, without a single scar: stupid.

Jedi and the Force: buy it.
Lightsabers: buy it.
Anakin mercilessly killing the Sandpeople and Padme simply ignoring it like nothing happened: stupid.

John McClane getting into the same shit twice on Christmas Eve: buy it.
Hand grenades taking 30 seconds to detonate: stupid.

And so forth. There simply is some very basic knowledge and stuff that I can't deny for myself.
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Old October 17 2011, 01:53 AM   #3633
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
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Because one is technological/physical, and the other is social.
That is a completely unpersuasive and silly attempt to draw a meaningless distinction.
Since this is the way I see it, your comment almost comes of as insulting.

Superman flying: buy it.
Superman taking a human to the moon without oxygen: stupid.
Superman being obviously Clark Kent's "twin brother" and nobody recognizing it: stupid.

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The chances that no one notices Clark looks alot like Superman is much more plausible than a guy flying under his own power.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:23 AM   #3634
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Zombie Cheerleader wrote: View Post
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That is a completely unpersuasive and silly attempt to draw a meaningless distinction.
Since this is the way I see it, your comment almost comes of as insulting.

Superman flying: buy it.
Superman taking a human to the moon without oxygen: stupid.
Superman being obviously Clark Kent's "twin brother" and nobody recognizing it: stupid.

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The chances that no one notices Clark looks alot like Superman is much more plausible than a guy flying under his own power.
I think you're missing his (or her) point by just a tad. When you go into a superman flick, you know that a guy will fly under his own power, just as you know a starship will fly at warp in a Trek film. These things go with the territory. What doesn't go with the territory is having Lois breathe in space near the moon, that takes it too far.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:28 AM   #3635
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^ Sometimes fans need to suspend their disbelief of impossible things...
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Old October 17 2011, 02:31 AM   #3636
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That is a completely unpersuasive and silly attempt to draw a meaningless distinction.
Since this is the way I see it, your comment almost comes of as insulting.
That's unfortunate, since I find your reasoning completely unpersuasive and the distinction that you're drawing between two kinds of implausibilities to be silly and meaningless.

Do you think that when you present an argument people are only going to respond to it in order to agree?
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Old October 17 2011, 03:04 AM   #3637
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Sorry for the abstract mathematical phrasing, but this is the only way I can nail this point on the head.

If you regard Superman as impossible, then the only method that makes sense mathematically to maximize the plausibility of a Superman story is to maximize the plausibility of everything except the single impossible element, or a select few impossible elements.

But this method doesn't produce the best stories, if Superman is impossible, because it can lead to stylistic incongruities that are more of a negative than can be outweighed by what is at best an infinitesimal boost in overall plausibility. The boost gained by this method is overall infinitesimal at best, because any gain is floored by the impossibility of Superman in the first place.

The way to get the most enjoyable story is therefore not strictly to maximize the plausibility of everything other than Superman.

On the other hand, if you are claiming that Superman isn't really impossible, so that the gains gotten by adjusting the plausibility of the other elements will be overall non-infinitesimally positive, well I think you've got an uphill battle to fight, to prove that Superman is possible.
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Old October 17 2011, 03:23 AM   #3638
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I have no doubt that this addresses everything we need to know.
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Old October 17 2011, 03:26 AM   #3639
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^ YES!
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Old October 17 2011, 03:41 AM   #3640
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: View Post
Zombie Cheerleader wrote: View Post
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Since this is the way I see it, your comment almost comes of as insulting.

Superman flying: buy it.
Superman taking a human to the moon without oxygen: stupid.
Superman being obviously Clark Kent's "twin brother" and nobody recognizing it: stupid.

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The chances that no one notices Clark looks alot like Superman is much more plausible than a guy flying under his own power.
I think you're missing his (or her) point by just a tad. When you go into a superman flick, you know that a guy will fly under his own power, just as you know a starship will fly at warp in a Trek film. These things go with the territory. What doesn't go with the territory is having Lois breathe in space near the moon, that takes it too far.
I don't recall mentioning Lois breathing in space in my response. A guy flying and folks not seeing that Clark is Superman are both expected in a Superman film. To call one stupid and "buying" the other doesn't make sense. That was my point
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Old October 17 2011, 05:04 AM   #3641
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Yeah, basically here's the way to think about it. There are certain conceits to accept in a Superman movie.

One is that he can fly.
Another is that he is relatively invulnerable.
A third is that people don't recognize that he is Clark Kent.

While there are certainly plot related elements that the movie will address and you can consider based on plausibility, but it doesn't make sense to accept the background canon as far as whether he can fly and not accept that glasses are a really good disguise for him.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:31 PM   #3642
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The time has come for a gay Superman.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:34 PM   #3643
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Anakin mercilessly killing the Sandpeople and Padme simply ignoring it like nothing happened: stupid.
Padme is the stupid one here, not the audience for buying it.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:44 PM   #3644
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The time has come for a gay Superman.
I liked that Superboy or maybe it was Adventure Comics issue where they introduced Ultra-Boy and it confirmed that Clark uses his x-ray vision to looks through boys' clothes.

Also, Pete Ross is sort of like a closeted male version of Lana Lang, except more competent in his stalking.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:27 PM   #3645
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The time has come for a gay Superman.
How many other meaningful English sentences can be constructed by rearranging these words?
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