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Old September 2 2011, 05:29 PM   #2851
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Why in the fuck would he start wearing this outfit to begin with? That's always been just one of the things that stretch credulity about these comics, they keep trying to explain it in one way or another....
And that's exactly the problem. They're embarrassed by their own characters. Superman wore the trunks, X-Men wore the spandex, etc., with conviction, without bothering to explain anything, until some 15 years ago. It only became "goofy" when the creative forces behind them thought they were goofy. That's why what Donner and Raimi gave us didn't look goofy - because they had faith in the source material (pun intended).
Gawd, not this old chestnut, without even getting into the fact that many popular creators including Stan Lee used pseudonyms because they were saving their names for 'proper' or 'serious' adult work, they were *always* explaining away large aspects of this stuff.

Take his secret identity, the idea that nobody could work out that Clark Kent is Superman was considered hokey decades ago. 30 years ago they were saying that superman was using super-hypnosis on a sub-conscious level to make him look different as Clark Kent. Before that, they said that he used shape-shifting powers to look slightly different (Superman was even taller than Clark Kent).
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Old September 2 2011, 05:38 PM   #2852
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Well in that case Lois Lane should dress like this in the movie.



They are not embarrassed of Superman. They are simply trying to keep him contemporary.
I actually would not be opposed to a Superman movie set in the 1930s-1950s or at least having that tone and look with costuming and architecture while also being set in modern times. Heck, on some levels Superman: Returns had that going on.
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Old September 2 2011, 05:46 PM   #2853
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I'd totally be into a period piece. I think it would look great.

But this isn't a period piece so I have no problem with the updating of the suit.
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Old September 2 2011, 05:55 PM   #2854
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I'd totally be into a period piece. I think it would look great.

But this isn't a period piece so I have no problem with the updating of the suit.
They did a revised version and revival of the musical "It's A Bird, It's A Plane...It's Superman!" a couple of years ago at the Dallas Theater Center. They set it in the 1930s. It looks wonderful, and I'd like to have seen it.

You'll notice that the shield on his costume there is true to the period, and therefore is very different from the one that people are caterwauling over and claiming is the "real eternal forever and ever" version.

Other than as grounds for harboring a resentment there's no evidence or basis for the nonsense assertion that the DC people are "embarrassed" by the characters that they put so much effort and money into bringing to life and promoting. The truth of the matter is much simpler and straightforward:

Everything changes with time and fashion. Yes, even comic book characters.

After fifty years they took away Superman's Speedo. BFD.

Embarrassed by the characters? If they read teh Intarwebs they might be embarrassed by some of their "fans."
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Old September 2 2011, 05:55 PM   #2855
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I found this thing over here, thought I'd add it to the mix. I don't believe I saw it posted



Personally I like the new movie suit and the way Cavill looks in it just fine.
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Old September 2 2011, 05:57 PM   #2856
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Well in that case Lois Lane should dress like this in the movie.



They are not embarrassed of Superman. They are simply trying to keep him contemporary.
Sure, I wouldn't mind if Lois Lane wore flats. High heels are little more than a piece of fetish wear that the whole society's bought into. I mean, I like ballgags as much as the next guy, but I don't expect women to wear them to work.

...Am I missing the point?
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Old September 2 2011, 05:58 PM   #2857
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^ Possibly.
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Old September 2 2011, 05:59 PM   #2858
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Sure, I wouldn't mind if Lois Lane wore flats. High heels are a piece of fetish wear that the whole society's bought into. I like ballgags as much as the next guy, but I don't expect women to wear them to work.

...Am I missing the point?
Most likely yes...
And I would have welcomed it if my old boss wore a ballgag at work
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Old September 2 2011, 06:01 PM   #2859
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So, the woman in high heels is standing next to a guy in a skin-tight costume - Spandex or armor or rubber, depending on your preferred version - with trailing red cape and she's in fetish wear?
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Old September 2 2011, 06:05 PM   #2860
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^ He's her gimp.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:15 PM   #2861
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I found this thing over here, thought I'd add it to the mix. I don't believe I saw it posted



Personally I like the new movie suit and the way Cavill looks in it just fine.
That nails it. Looks wrong without the shorts. The added red creates a better visual balance.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:16 PM   #2862
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The new costume has a 30s/Deco vibe to it.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:21 PM   #2863
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The new costume has a 30s/Deco vibe to it.
Something about that non-belt belt does look a bit...retro even though it's meant to be streamlined.

Okay, I guess the idea of "streamlining" when applied to other than industrial design is itself kind of an early 20th-century notion, isn't it?
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Old September 2 2011, 06:29 PM   #2864
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The new costume has a 30s/Deco vibe to it.
Something about that non-belt belt does look a bit...retro even though it's meant to be streamlined.

Okay, I guess the idea of "streamlining" when applied to other than industrial design is itself kind of an early 20th-century notion, isn't it?
Ditch the cape, slap on a helmet and jetpack and call him Buck Rogers
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Old September 2 2011, 06:31 PM   #2865
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The new costume has a 30s/Deco vibe to it.
Something about that non-belt belt does look a bit...retro even though it's meant to be streamlined.

Okay, I guess the idea of "streamlining" when applied to other than industrial design is itself kind of an early 20th-century notion, isn't it?
Ditch the cape, slap on a helmet and jetpack and call him Buck Rogers
You think it's that kind-of-scrollwork around the hip area and the gauntlets that do it?
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