Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

[Admiral_Young]

This article might help.

http://sacomics.blogspot.com/2005/08...-and-guns.html

[Myasishchev]

Modern Batman almost never uses a gun. Now an air interception missile? Mommy didn't die from a missile.

Actually, one of those covers suggests a great Elseworlds story idea that I don't think has ever been done. What would happen if Bruce Wayne got drafted?

I call it Batman: Dark Conscientious Objector.

P.S. on that one where it turns out Batman's a crack sniper (yeah, whatever), I really love the THE END written in the shadow of his cape. That's cool.

[Admiral_Young]

Modern Batman used ONE gun The archetypal gun in fact in order to "kill" Darkseid. But yah he doesn't use a gun and finds them horrid in general.

[Myasishchev]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Modern Batman used ONE gun The archetypal gun in fact in order to "kill" Darkseid. But yah he doesn't use a gun and finds them horrid in general.

Okay, okay, I forgot.

Yo, this is sort of on topic, but with Superman, has there ever been a story about how he feels about/justifies all the people who die when he's just hanging out? I will also accept the Flash.

I mean, it's trivial to morally justify, but I'm mainly curious if it's been acknowledged that Superman sometimes hears people dying or in danger and just doesn't do anything about it.

[Admiral_Young]

I can't think of a specific story about Clark's feelings on that. I know that recently Judd Winnick wrote a flashback to post Final Crisis story dealing with Superman's feelings about losing Batman, as well as having opposing feelings regarding Dick's decision to take up the mantle.

I'm pretty sure that he has regretted the loss of all of his friends or family. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are talking about.

[Myasishchev]

Maybe? I just mean the random flatscans who get into car accidents, that sort of thing. Like there's this guy who goes through his windshield in northern Virginia and he's bleeding all over the pavement, crying for Superman to save him, but Clark's watching America's Next Top Model with Lois in time he's blocked off for himself and his own relationships.

Would the situation change if it were in Metropolis? Like, does Superman have a standing policy, "You are unlikely to be rescued outside of the Metropolis city limits, be alive at your own risk"? Would the situation change if it were, I dunno, Green Arrow who got into a car accident and he was using his last life essence to jam on his JLA signal device?

I ask because it's sort of implicit this happens. We know Clark has some kind of personal life, if a somewhat circumscribed one. People do still die in accidents in the DCU, people get killed all over the world, and heaps and heaps of people get brutally murdered down the road in the no-fly zone Batman's established in Gotham.

So, does he feel bad? He can hear the cries for help.

Take it a step further, we know he doesn't topple governments, regardless of how shitty they are, so does he feel bad when a dissenter is executed in the PRC, listening all the while and doing nothing?

I want to think I either read a comic or read about a comic where they explained, "Yeah, it happens, but if I just operated as Superman around the clock, abandoned my wife, gave up my life, started saving everyone from everything, and everyone from everyone else, I'd eventually get so weird and out-of-touch and inhuman and arrogant that I'd wind up conquering you and making you wear clothes made out of bubble wrap for your own protection." Not a verbatim transcript, of course.

[IndyJones]

theenglish wrote:

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This comment comes up frequently, but I have read a number of the early 1939 Detective Comics with Batman. He has his bat cable, his batarang, a version of the batmobile, but I have never seen a comic when he used a gun. I am not saying that he didn't but I would certainly like to take a look at these stories for myself.

Can someone please refer me to a specific comic or two?

I saw a reading of the first two books of Batman: Odyssey last night, and Batman uses a gun to shoot at ciminals in that story. Now, Odyssey is undoubtably the work of a disturbed mind, but it was published 2010-2011. So, there is a long-standing precedent of Batman using firearms.

[Admiral_Young]

I think Clark sometimes feels overwhelmed by the sheer number of people that he can't save. I think "Superman Returns" sort of touched on this when he takes Lois up and he tells her that he hears everyone crying out for help. There have been references that Clark over works himself as well and has to be told by Lois, or others that he needs to rest and "can't be everywhere at once". This was something that kind was banged on to "Smallville" Clark a number of times. I believe though he feels bad when "normals" or civilians die when he can't help them. Sure.

[TheSeeker]

Captain Craig wrote:

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I thought the same thing.
Eerie.

I also thought the same thing. I guess that should make the Smallville fans happy.

[Shazam!]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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"Bruce Wayne" is not an eccentric or all business. Thats like portraying "Clark Kent" as a two fisted reporter with an ashtray full of stubbed out cigarettes and a half empty bottle of scotch in his desk drawer.

Or a bumbling cumbersome nerd.

[Sindatur]

TheSeeker wrote:

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I also thought the same thing. I guess that should make the Smallville fans happy.

I don't really see a resemblance to Tom Welling. I do see quite a resemblance to Mathew Bomer, though

[davejames]

Hilbilly Rage wrote:

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I think Burtan's Batman didnt want to kill, but thge Joker forced him to "kill', Batman tried to rescue the Joker, but couldn't. From a movie perspective,The good guy has to kill the bad guy. This has changed since the 90s, now the good guy doesn't have to do that, he can capture him so to ensure a sequel. Lewt's not forget, had Leadge not died, we'd have a very dufferebt sequel.

Yeah to me the "Batman killing" thing gets blown way out of proportion on that movie. It's not like he's gunning people down left and right or anything.

A couple people fall to their deaths (like the guy in the bell tower), or a factory blows up, but the style of the movie is so heightened and comic booky that I have a hard time taking it all that seriously.

Even when he stuffs the bomb in that guy's pants in Returns, it's played more for laughs than anything.

[Trekker4747]

I can see how some may see a slight resemblance. I mean they're both beefy looking guys with black hair, so...

But Welling has a far rounder face with more "boyish" looks than this dude does.

[Obiwanshinobi]

So are you saying Cavill is Bizarro-Welling?

[the G-man]

Sindatur wrote:

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I don't really see a resemblance to Tom Welling. I do see quite a resemblance to Mathew Bomer, though

Let's face it: Producers tend to cast actors who look at least a bit like Superman to play Superman. So they're all going to look at little alike.