Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) - Page 151

Admiral Buzzkill · August 15 2011, 04:16 PM

Hilbilly Rage wrote:

Maybe he wasen't established as a white guy in the radio show, but it has been established that way ever since. What's the point in establishing characters if your not going to stand by what has been established.

Good - now that we grant that he was not originally established by race, there should be no problem with changing him a second time.

Imean hell, lets just make Superman an asian midget and Lois a tranny named Louis. Lets make Jim Kirk Jane Kirk and have Scotty be a bloody Brit.

And these are the kinds of preposterous hypotheticals that are always resorted to in discussions of nontraditional casting because the folks objecting can' never come up with an actual example where it's really hurt the credibility or success of a production.

JarodRussell · August 15 2011, 05:03 PM

Dennis wrote:

Hilbilly Rage wrote:

Maybe he wasen't established as a white guy in the radio show, but it has been established that way ever since. What's the point in establishing characters if your not going to stand by what has been established.

Good - now that we grant that he was not originally established by race, there should be no problem with changing him a second time.

Imean hell, lets just make Superman an asian midget and Lois a tranny named Louis. Lets make Jim Kirk Jane Kirk and have Scotty be a bloody Brit.

And these are the kinds of preposterous hypotheticals that are always resorted to in discussions of nontraditional casting because the folks objecting can' never come up with an actual example where it's really hurt the credibility or success of a production.

Starbuck and Boomer? It didn't hurt the success, but it was done that way. This discussion isn't even about financial success, why do you try to interweave that now?

CaptainCanada · August 15 2011, 05:04 PM

Hilbilly Rage wrote:

and Lois a tranny named Louis.

A lot of people don't know this, so it's no particular reflection on you, but for future reference "tranny" is considered a transphobic slur.

JarodRussell · August 15 2011, 05:09 PM

CaptainCanada wrote:

Hilbilly Rage wrote:

and Lois a tranny named Louis.

A lot of people don't know this, so it's no particular reflection on you, but for future reference "tranny" is considered a transphobic slur.

And "Hillbilly" is considered a racial slur.

Yminale · August 15 2011, 05:09 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Starbuck and Boomer? It didn't hurt the success, but it was done that way. This discussion isn't even about financial success, why do you try to interweave that now?

There is also the character M in James Bond who was traditionally male but has been successfully played by Judi Dench.

JarodRussell · August 15 2011, 05:15 PM

Yminale wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Starbuck and Boomer? It didn't hurt the success, but it was done that way. This discussion isn't even about financial success, why do you try to interweave that now?

There is also the character M in James Bond who was traditionally male but has been successfully played by Judi Dench.

And there was some media buzz that Bond should be gay and played by Idris Elba recently.

Admiral_Young · August 15 2011, 09:00 PM

^ Not to mention Colin Salmon before that. Directors look at the best people for the role for their films. I truly do not think this is a notion of casting for shock value or whatever else people want to claim. Zach Snyder especially I think doesn't really have a track record of doing that in his previous films. Neither does Chris Nolan.

Timby · August 15 2011, 10:22 PM

Are we still seriously kvetching about race?

Jesus Christ, it's not like Laurence Fishburne was cast to play Robert E. Lee.

JarodRussell · August 15 2011, 10:45 PM

Timby wrote:

Are we still seriously kvetching about race?

Jesus Christ, it's not like Laurence Fishburne was cast to play Robert E. Lee.

How about Jesus Christ?

HaplessCrewman · August 15 2011, 11:09 PM

Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry".

And while we're at it, I can't imagine anyone in their early thirties in the year 2011 who is named Clark or Lois.

Admiral_Young · August 15 2011, 11:20 PM

^ You've gotta be kidding right? Now we're gonna start bitching about the relevancy of their names?

Admiral Buzzkill · August 15 2011, 11:26 PM

HaplessCrewman wrote:

Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry".

Tyler would like a word with you.

HaplessCrewman · August 15 2011, 11:59 PM

Dennis wrote:

HaplessCrewman wrote:

Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry".

Tyler would like a word with you.

Ha ha! Good one. It's his last name but, OK!

August 16 2011, 12:01 AM

HaplessCrewman wrote:

Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry".

And while we're at it, I can't imagine anyone in their early thirties in the year 2011 who is named Clark or Lois.

Cassidy Freeman(Tess Mercer from SMALLVILLE) has a brother named Clark...he is in his twenties.

She is in a band with him too.

Broccoli · August 16 2011, 12:43 AM

Dennis wrote:

HaplessCrewman wrote:

Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry".

Tyler would like a word with you.

Wait, wait, wait. Tyler Perry is a man?!

Halleluyeer!

Dennis wrote:

And these are the kinds of preposterous hypotheticals that are always resorted to in discussions of nontraditional casting because the folks objecting can' never come up with an actual example where it's really hurt the credibility or success of a production.

Well, one can argue that Kristin Kreuk hurt Smallville, but I think that had little to do with her ethnicity.

August 15 2011, 09:00 PM	#2257
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) ^ Not to mention Colin Salmon before that. Directors look at the best people for the role for their films. I truly do not think this is a notion of casting for shock value or whatever else people want to claim. Zach Snyder especially I think doesn't really have a track record of doing that in his previous films. Neither does Chris Nolan. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 15 2011, 10:22 PM	#2258
Timby YEAH I LOVE THAT	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Are we still seriously kvetching about race? Jesus Christ, it's not like Laurence Fishburne was cast to play Robert E. Lee. __________________ I didn't do it. I wasn't even here* that day!*

August 15 2011, 11:09 PM	#2260
HaplessCrewman Lieutenant Commander Location: Office of Scientific Intelligence	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Franky, I can't imagine a black man whose name is "Perry". And while we're at it, I can't imagine anyone in their early thirties in the year 2011 who is named Clark or Lois. __________________ Better than he was before. Better...stronger...faster.

August 15 2011, 11:20 PM	#2261
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) ^ You've gotta be kidding right? Now we're gonna start bitching about the relevancy of their names? __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

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