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Old February 8 2014, 04:53 AM   #1
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Woody Allen responds to abuse allegations

Mia insisted that I had abused Dylan and took her immediately to a doctor to be examined. Dylan told the doctor she had not been molested. Mia then took Dylan out for ice cream, and when she came back with her the child had changed her story. The police began their investigation; a possible indictment hung in the balance. I very willingly took a lie-detector test and of course passed because I had nothing to hide. I asked Mia to take one and she wouldn’t. Last week a woman named Stacey Nelkin, whom I had dated many years ago, came forward to the press to tell them that when Mia and I first had our custody battle 21 years ago, Mia had wanted her to testify that she had been underage when I was dating her, despite the fact this was untrue. Stacey refused. I include this anecdote so we all know what kind of character we are dealing with here. One can imagine in learning this why she wouldn’t take a lie-detector test.
But we did know because it had been determined and there was no equivocation about the fact that no abuse had taken place. Justice Wilk was quite rough on me and never approved of my relationship with Soon-Yi, Mia’s adopted daughter, who was then in her early 20s. He thought of me as an older man exploiting a much younger woman, which outraged Mia as improper despite the fact she had dated a much older Frank Sinatra when she was 19. In fairness to Justice Wilk, the public felt the same dismay over Soon-Yi and myself, but despite what it looked like our feelings were authentic and we’ve been happily married for 16 years with two great kids, both adopted. (Incidentally, coming on the heels of the media circus and false accusations, Soon-Yi and I were extra carefully scrutinized by both the adoption agency and adoption courts, and everyone blessed our adoptions.)
Woody Allen Responds to Dylan Farrow Accusation

Apologies if this has been already posted.

One thing's for certain; despite all of this, I'm not of fan of this guy's films, at all; I find them incredibly boring and narrow.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:24 AM   #2
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Re: Woody Allen responds to abuse allegations

I'm generally a fan of Mr. Allen's films, except for a few he made in the '90s that misfired. As for the allegations, I think they're complete bullshit. The man may be many things, but he's no pedophile.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:28 AM   #3
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Re: Woody Allen responds to abuse allegations

^ Plus, one parent intentionally poisoning the mind of the child to hate the other parent is rather common in divorce proceedings, especially those as toxic as Woody and Mia's.

And, as Moses Farrow pointed out, there's the added angle of Mia being jealous of Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi, which was by all accounts entirely on the level. So that gives Mia even more motive to fire back at Woody by any means she thought necessary.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:37 AM   #4
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Re: Woody Allen responds to abuse allegations

Having read the Judge's Ruling from the 1992 case, it becomes apparent that:

1) Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi was inappropriate, and that lead to sexual relations, and eventual marriage. His relationship with Dylan was also seen as inappropriate by the judge, so who knows what could have been going on?
2) Whether he's guilty of pedophilia or not, it shows that he is a bad father, and quite the asshole, either way you go.

I was a fan of his films, but after finding out that he behaved this way toward his children (I don't get into actors private lives that much so this was all new to me), and then reading this little article, which I found interesting after reading up on the 1992 custody case, I am very disappointed in him, and have no plans to see any more of his films.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:47 AM   #5
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Why was Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship inappropriate? She wasn't his adopted daughter. Just Mia's.

And as Woody pointed out, the judge seemed to have a personal grudge against him from the get-go.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:51 AM   #6
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Why was Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship inappropriate? She wasn't his adopted daughter. Just Mia's.

And as Woody pointed out, the judge seemed to have a personal grudge against him from the get-go.
Did you read the pdf I linked above? It explains everything quite well. As I said, I wasn't against Woody before I read that, but it clearly details major issues Woody Allen has with younger children.
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Old February 9 2014, 07:26 AM   #7
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First off ... for whatever trauma she received, I wish Dylan Farrow all the best in finding personal peace and wholeness and reconciliation with her childhood so that she can move on with the rest of her life.

Secondly, I've only ever seen one Woody Allen film (Vicky Cristina Barcelona, which I thought was decent, but not great), so I have no inherent bias toward (or against) the man as an artist.

For the rest of us, the whole problem with this story is that no matter what, there are offsetting stories and results. The judge was critical of Allen; the impartial psychological panel exonerated him and was critical of Mia. The panel destroyed its evidence; Mia's recording of Dylan's original account of the incident was edited. Mia's loathing of Allen lends credence to her influencing her daughter to report something that didn't actually happen; Allen's relationship with Soon-Yi, and the content of some of his films lends credence to him having an unhealthy (predatory?) attitude toward young women. And so on.

It's wrong to dismiss a victim's story out of hand. So without question, Dylan Farrow has been traumatized. But then again, how does one presume any guilt or wrongdoing? Surely, Dylan is a victim. But was she a victim of a predatory and pedophiliac Allen? Or was she a victim of an angry, vindictive mother? Or some tragic combination of both? Sadly, short of either Allen or Farrow coming forward and admitting they were wrong for the past twenty-some years, Dylan (and the rest of us) will never know the actual truth.

Personally, I only hope that, someday, somehow, Dylan finds closure and peace. As for the rest ... people can make up their own minds whether or not Allen's films are worthy of consideration and critical praise. From my limited sampling, and considering the circumstances, unless there is an overwhelmingly convincing reason to do so, I have no burning desire to see any more of his work, much less offer praise.
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Old February 9 2014, 07:12 PM   #8
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One thing's for certain; despite all of this, I'm not of fan of this guy's films, at all; I find them incredibly boring and narrow.
Edit to add: I like his early stand-up, and one of his films is actually funny.
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Old February 9 2014, 07:20 PM   #9
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Why was Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship inappropriate? She wasn't his adopted daughter. Just Mia's.
You don't see anything inappropriate about a 56-year-old man having a sexual relationship with his longtime girlfriend's 19-year-old daughter?
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Old February 9 2014, 07:27 PM   #10
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I agree with most of what Ancient Mariner said. I remember seeing only one of his films, Annie Hall, which I really enjoyed at the time. Re-watched it last year and was bored to death. I have no idea what I originally liked, other than Annie's clothes.

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And you know this how?

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Why was Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship inappropriate? She wasn't his adopted daughter. Just Mia's.
No, she wasn't his daughter, but he helped raise her, so it still seems creepy to me.
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Old February 9 2014, 08:34 PM   #11
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Woody Allen clearly does not observe cultural taboos about age differences, but as long as those relationships are consensual it's none of my business. As for this case, I have not seen the actual evidence, so any opinion I were to offer would fall between speculation and gossip.

In the movie Manhattan, Woody's character dates a 17 year old, and his angry ex wife writes a book about their marriage in which he tries to run over her lesbian lover. Woody Allen's feeling about these subjects come through quite clearly in that film.

However an artist's personal life is separate from their work. If he were a pedophile I would hate him, but it wouldn't change my feeling that Annie Hall, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Purple Rose Of Cairo, Midnight In Paris, and Interiors are all spectacular films.

Same with Polanski's Chinatown, Repulsion and Pianist.
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Old February 9 2014, 08:42 PM   #12
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The real issue is it's a matter of he said, she said. We'll never know the truth. Is Woody Allen a creepy guy for hooking up with his wife's daughter? Hell yes. Does that automatically mean he molested his other kids? No, it doesn't.

Either way, none of this really anyone's business, especially when there's no proof of anything. I feel sorry for Dylan, because either way, one or both parents abused her in some way and she's clearly damaged by the whole experience.

Will I go see a film directed by Allen, if it looks interesting? Yes. Some of his films have been, in my opinion, very entertaining and great works of art. Would I ever be friends with the man? No. But since that's never going to be an issue, I don't care. I don't see why anyone else would care, either.

I find people's deep interest in this kind of sad. It's a matter for the family or for law enforcement.
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Old February 9 2014, 09:22 PM   #13
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^ Amen.
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Old February 9 2014, 09:32 PM   #14
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No, she wasn't his daughter, but he helped raise her, so it still seems creepy to me.
You of course cannot be faulted for thinking creepy whatever you find so, but no, he didn't "help to raise her." Her adoptive father was Andre Previn. And according to the "Findings Of Fact" section of the document posted above by J. Allen, "until 1990, [Woody Allen] had little contact with any of the Previn children [and] the least to do with Soon-Yi."
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Old February 9 2014, 09:36 PM   #15
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Why was Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship inappropriate? She wasn't his adopted daughter. Just Mia's.
You don't see anything inappropriate about a 56-year-old man having a sexual relationship with his longtime girlfriend's 19-year-old daughter?
19 is considered adult, isn't it?

And we have seen even larger age differences in other couples. True, in most such cases, the younger party is older than 19, but still, 19 is considered adulthood in most cultures I'm aware of.

And as has been pointed out, Woody did not raise Soon-Yi in any way. She was already an adult by the time they started dating. Just because she was Mia's daughter had nothing to do with Woody's relationship with her.

And remember, when Woody and Soon-Yi went to adopt, their relationship was subjected to extra scrutiny by the courts, and no one found any fault with it.
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