shada

starsuperion · January 28 2011, 06:24 AM

There appears to be several variations of this lost episode, are there any recommendations as to which one is the best to watch?? I am considering watching the Tom Baker amended version...or is the Mcgann version better?? which is official continuity? there's a radio version too right?? I am confused...

Emh · January 28 2011, 10:02 AM

There's three versions, although two of them are mostly the same:

1) Tom Baker's version which is incomplete due to workers' strike.

Two varieties of Paul McGann's version (with Lalla Ward and John Leeson returning):

2) The flash animated webcast made by Big Finish and shown on BBC's website.

3) The same audio play was broadcast on BBC 7 and later released on CD as part of Big Finish's audio play line with small audio variations.

As much as I love Tom Baker, I actually prefer Paul McGann's version, partially because it's actually complete, as oppose to Tom Baker's linking narration for the VHS release of his version. Additionally, McGann has a fantastic rapport with Lalla Ward which is also heard in Neverland and Zagreus. Both essentially tell the same story, the only major difference is that The Eighth Doctor picks up Romana and K-9 from Gallifrey because he feels like an adventure was left incomplete (as per The Five Doctors). From there, the overall story is more or less the same.

starsuperion · January 28 2011, 05:40 PM

2 versions of the paul mcgann??

marillion · January 28 2011, 08:13 PM

^^ Sorry.. Just had a big guffaw at your comment/question, paired with the expression on Baker's face on your AV...

Worf2DS9 · January 28 2011, 11:57 PM

starsuperion wrote:

2 versions of the paul mcgann??

To simplify things, one is audio-only and the other is accompanied by flash animation, viewable on the BBC site.

The McGann version was the first Big Finish audio I ever listened to (actually have the CD version, as this was before their download service began), and got me hooked on the 8th Doctor audios. It really is well done, and as Emh said, the rapport between the Doctor and Romana is great.

Rarewolf · January 29 2011, 12:49 AM

Version 1 is the video - the recorded scenes with 1990s Tom Baker linking material.

There's a 4th version too - last year off his own back Superfan Ian Levine got all the surviving members of the cast (sans Tom - too expensive) to record all the missing dialogue, with stand ins for those were needed.

However he is no fan of audio Dr Who - it was recorded so the missing scenes can be animated to be combined with the existing footage. This animation will then be offered to 2|E take it or leave it - though there are no doubt legal reasons they can't just take it. Of course this is all rather expensive, and he has sought fans to invest towards the project.

As it is 2|E have their own plans for Shada we don't know about yet - so that will be version 5.

starsuperion · January 29 2011, 06:26 AM

marillion wrote:

^^ Sorry.. Just had a big guffaw at your comment/question, paired with the expression on Baker's face on your AV...

hahahahaha.. I just read it, and looked at my avatar! hahahaha

that was awesome!

Worf2DS9 wrote:

starsuperion wrote:

2 versions of the paul mcgann??

To simplify things, one is audio-only and the other is accompanied by flash animation, viewable on the BBC site.

The McGann version was the first Big Finish audio I ever listened to (actually have the CD version, as this was before their download service began), and got me hooked on the 8th Doctor audios. It really is well done, and as Emh said, the rapport between the Doctor and Romana is great.

you make me want to invest in the Big finish audios...

thanks for clarifying the episode versions..

Rarewolf wrote:

Version 1 is the video - the recorded scenes with 1990s Tom Baker linking material.

There's a 4th version too - last year off his own back Superfan Ian Levine got all the surviving members of the cast (sans Tom - too expensive) to record all the missing dialogue, with stand ins for those were needed.

However he is no fan of audio Dr Who - it was recorded so the missing scenes can be animated to be combined with the existing footage. This animation will then be offered to 2|E take it or leave it - though there are no doubt legal reasons they can't just take it. Of course this is all rather expensive, and he has sought fans to invest towards the project.

As it is 2|E have their own plans for Shada we don't know about yet - so that will be version 5.

how are the 2 entertain doctor who shows??

Rarewolf · January 29 2011, 03:25 PM

They will do the final commercial version(s) that can be bought by the public. It will probably be paired with Nightmare Of Eden.

starsuperion · January 30 2011, 03:22 PM

what are- is 2/entertain anyways? do they refilm scenes for Doctor who episodes, or do 3D animation? What about the strange episode I saw of the 3rd Doctor and some thing to do with the time lords, set between his 2nd and 3RD regen??

Rarewolf · January 30 2011, 08:42 PM

2|E is just the company that comission and distribute the DVDs, they allocate the funds for the extras. I think the whole company is owned by BBC Worldwide (for the moment anyway) since the other share holder went under.

So when a story comes up for release various extras producers can pitch to do new CGI, or lengthy documentaries, it really depends what state the original episodes are in, and what's left after any restoration. Some unspent funds have gone into restoring Pertwee episodes apparently.

Devious is what you are talking about, its a glorified fan video, that's still unfinished! It's merely worthy on inclusion since the last scene happened to feature Jon Pertwee's final appearance as the Doctor.

23skidoo · January 30 2011, 09:52 PM

Rarewolf wrote:

Devious is what you are talking about, its a glorified fan video, that's still unfinished! It's merely worthy on inclusion since the last scene happened to feature Jon Pertwee's final appearance as the Doctor.

Just to fill in a blank, 2 Entertain included Devious as a bonus feature on the DVD of The War Games.

As for the webcast, the BBC website still has it up here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/class...ne/index.shtml

However, I think we've run into one of the wonderful things about the Internet - things become outdated quickly. I have the latest version of Flash and it won't play the old version needed to view. And the other option is Real Player and I don't think anyone's used Real Player in 6 years. You can try the link above, and it might work. A lot of the BBC website material is only viewable within the UK, however I have found that some older items are grandfathered and available worldwide - I was able to watch Shada from this site a couple of years ago and I'm in Canada. But since then I upgraded my computer, and of course today upgrading means losing the ability to do stuff you used to be able to do...

Failing all that, the Shada webcast shows up on YouTube every so often, too...

(Note: I'm just talking about the webcast here - if you want to hear the extended audio drama version, you should order a copy of the CD from Big Finish!)

Alex

Sindatur · January 30 2011, 10:46 PM

I have the Tom Baker VHS, and it's great to get the partial episodes and the sketches with the audio story. I'd like to try the audio version. off to investigate...

starsuperion · February 4 2011, 05:28 AM

23skidoo wrote:

Rarewolf wrote:

Devious is what you are talking about, its a glorified fan video, that's still unfinished! It's merely worthy on inclusion since the last scene happened to feature Jon Pertwee's final appearance as the Doctor.

Just to fill in a blank, 2 Entertain included Devious as a bonus feature on the DVD of The War Games.

As for the webcast, the BBC website still has it up here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/class...ne/index.shtml

However, I think we've run into one of the wonderful things about the Internet - things become outdated quickly. I have the latest version of Flash and it won't play the old version needed to view. And the other option is Real Player and I don't think anyone's used Real Player in 6 years. You can try the link above, and it might work. A lot of the BBC website material is only viewable within the UK, however I have found that some older items are grandfathered and available worldwide - I was able to watch Shada from this site a couple of years ago and I'm in Canada. But since then I upgraded my computer, and of course today upgrading means losing the ability to do stuff you used to be able to do...

Failing all that, the Shada webcast shows up on YouTube every so often, too...

(Note: I'm just talking about the webcast here - if you want to hear the extended audio drama version, you should order a copy of the CD from Big Finish!)

Alex

are there any 2 entertain episodes for the 2nd doctor with cgi you can recommend? what pertwee episodes??

January 28 2011, 06:24 AM	#1
starsuperion Captain Location: Virginia, USA	shada There appears to be several variations of this lost episode, are there any recommendations as to which one is the best to watch?? I am considering watching the Tom Baker amended version...or is the Mcgann version better?? which is official continuity? there's a radio version too right?? I am confused...

January 28 2011, 10:02 AM	#2
Emh The Doctor Location: Japan	Re: shada There's three versions, although two of them are mostly the same: 1) Tom Baker's version which is incomplete due to workers' strike. Two varieties of Paul McGann's version (with Lalla Ward and John Leeson returning): 2) The flash animated webcast made by Big Finish and shown on BBC's website. 3) The same audio play was broadcast on BBC 7 and later released on CD as part of Big Finish's audio play line with small audio variations. As much as I love Tom Baker, I actually prefer Paul McGann's version, partially because it's actually complete, as oppose to Tom Baker's linking narration for the VHS release of his version. Additionally, McGann has a fantastic rapport with Lalla Ward which is also heard in Neverland and Zagreus. Both essentially tell the same story, the only major difference is that The Eighth Doctor picks up Romana and K-9 from Gallifrey because he feels like an adventure was left incomplete (as per The Five Doctors). From there, the overall story is more or less the same. __________________ "Eccleston was a tiger and Tennant was, well, Tigger. Smith [is] an uncoordinated housecat who pretends that he meant to do that after falling off a piece of furniture." - Lynne M. Thomas "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons!" - Vila

January 28 2011, 05:40 PM	#3
starsuperion Captain Location: Virginia, USA	Re: shada 2 versions of the paul mcgann??

January 28 2011, 08:13 PM	#4
marillion Vice Admiral Location: Hangin' with Smokey Bear	Re: shada ^^ Sorry.. Just had a big guffaw at your comment/question, paired with the expression on Baker's face on your AV... __________________ Find a new way of life - www.marillion.com

January 29 2011, 12:49 AM	#6
Rarewolf Rear Admiral Location: Devon, England	Re: shada Version 1 is the video - the recorded scenes with 1990s Tom Baker linking material. There's a 4th version too - last year off his own back Superfan Ian Levine got all the surviving members of the cast (sans Tom - too expensive) to record all the missing dialogue, with stand ins for those were needed. However he is no fan of audio Dr Who - it was recorded so the missing scenes can be animated to be combined with the existing footage. This animation will then be offered to 2\|E take it or leave it - though there are no doubt legal reasons they can't just take it. Of course this is all rather expensive, and he has sought fans to invest towards the project. As it is 2\|E have their own plans for Shada we don't know about yet - so that will be version 5. __________________ "Weaselling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals - except the weasels" Homer Jay Simpson

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January 29 2011, 03:25 PM	#8
Rarewolf Rear Admiral Location: Devon, England	Re: shada They will do the final commercial version(s) that can be bought by the public. It will probably be paired with Nightmare Of Eden. __________________ "Weaselling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals - except the weasels" Homer Jay Simpson

January 30 2011, 03:22 PM	#9
starsuperion Captain Location: Virginia, USA	Re: shada what are- is 2/entertain anyways? do they refilm scenes for Doctor who episodes, or do 3D animation? What about the strange episode I saw of the 3rd Doctor and some thing to do with the time lords, set between his 2nd and 3RD regen?? __________________ " We will ascend, to become creatures of consciousness alone. Free of these bodies, free of time, and cause and effect, while creation itself ceases to be.." -Lord President Rassilon

January 30 2011, 08:42 PM	#10
Rarewolf Rear Admiral Location: Devon, England	Re: shada 2\|E is just the company that comission and distribute the DVDs, they allocate the funds for the extras. I think the whole company is owned by BBC Worldwide (for the moment anyway) since the other share holder went under. So when a story comes up for release various extras producers can pitch to do new CGI, or lengthy documentaries, it really depends what state the original episodes are in, and what's left after any restoration. Some unspent funds have gone into restoring Pertwee episodes apparently. Devious is what you are talking about, its a glorified fan video, that's still unfinished! It's merely worthy on inclusion since the last scene happened to feature Jon Pertwee's final appearance as the Doctor. __________________ "Weaselling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals - except the weasels" Homer Jay Simpson

January 30 2011, 10:46 PM	#12
Sindatur Rear Admiral Location: Sacramento, CA	Re: shada I have the Tom Baker VHS, and it's great to get the partial episodes and the sketches with the audio story. I'd like to try the audio version. off to investigate... __________________ One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket?