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Old November 21 2011, 10:56 PM   #541
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Re: "James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!

It was a combination of Logan's weak script combined with Baird's lack of Star Trek knowledge and mishandling of the cast. Anyway let's not turn this thread into a Nemesis bashing thread because it has the potential for that to happen!
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Old November 21 2011, 11:02 PM   #542
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David Franzoni (who first pitched the idea) wrote the first draft of Gladiator. Ridley Scott then hired Logan to rewrite it. Most of Logan's revisions dealt with the dialogue and the first act, and it was his idea to kill off Maximus's family. The script was again rewritten, this time by William Nicholson, and then David Franzoni came back and revised a lot of Logan's and Nicholson's rewrites. Then the script went through various rewrites/revisions during filming.

So while Logan did contribute to the screenplay, he wasn't the only writer, nor was he even the one who came up with the idea, even though he seems to have gotten the majority of the credit.

However, Logan has also contributed to the screenplays for The Aviator, The Last Samurai, and Sweeney Todd, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he brought to Skyfall.
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Old November 22 2011, 10:42 AM   #543
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Yeah and worth noting he isn't writing the script to SkyFall alone which no doubt will help.
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Old November 22 2011, 04:06 PM   #544
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Re: "James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!

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It was a combination of Logan's weak script combined with Baird's lack of Star Trek knowledge and mishandling of the cast. Anyway let's not turn this thread into a Nemesis bashing thread because it has the potential for that to happen!
So saying that something was lacking with some ones former work which could impede on their future work is bashing now?

So has Bonz just not got round to giving you green yet?
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Old November 22 2011, 04:21 PM   #545
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^ He didn't accuse anyone of bashing, he merely said that this had the potential to turn into a NEM bashing thread. Which it may well do, given that we've had almost a full page of discussion of Logan's career (and I'm guilty of contributing to it too).

Hell, the thread about the possible Doctor Who movie seems to have turned into a 'What's your favourite Star Trek movie?' thread...
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Old November 22 2011, 04:26 PM   #546
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Yes. Sorry about that...
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Old November 22 2011, 04:26 PM   #547
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^ But anyway, what IS your favourite Star Trek movie?!
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Old November 22 2011, 04:37 PM   #548
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^ He didn't accuse anyone of bashing, he merely said that this had the potential to turn into a NEM bashing thread. Which it may well do, given that we've had almost a full page of discussion of Logan's career (and I'm guilty of contributing to it too).
Until we find out more facts about Skyfall, discussing Logans previous writing credits and what his strengths/weaknesses and what he could bring to the table would be a legitimate line of discussion and yes it could have gone that way, but it's no where near "bashing" territory yet.

Oh and it's only been half a page for me

Hell, the thread about the possible Doctor Who movie seems to have turned into a 'What's your favourite Star Trek movie?' thread...
I've not really paid attention to that thread.

And as you asked. It's Nemesis
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Old November 22 2011, 04:44 PM   #549
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^ Well, like I say, Admiral Young didn't accuse anyone of NEM bashing, just suggested that we didn't let this thread go that way. A reasonable suggestion, in my book.

And, yes, discussion of Logan's credits is quite reasonable. As has been pointed out, he seems to work best when coming in and polishing or doctoring someone else's script - e.g. Gladiator. And that's what he'll be doing here - adding to a script by 007 regulars Wade and Purves. So here's hoping he can redeem himself in the eyes of genre fans.
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Old November 22 2011, 05:43 PM   #550
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Indeed. I never accused anyone of Nemesis bashing. I just suggested that we not let this thread devolve into a Nemesis bashing feast because of John Logan's involvement. I also never said we couldn't discuss Logan's merits or faults either...but that ultimately usually leads to bashing Nemesis. Hopefully he hasn't turned what was originally reported to be a great script from Wade and Purves into...well a bad movie.
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Old November 22 2011, 05:55 PM   #551
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Spiner, Berman and Logan were involved with the Script. Anyway, Logan has written some good movies.
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Old November 22 2011, 06:30 PM   #552
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It seems the recent James Bond movies have had a small "Nemesis" connection. Stuart Baird served as editor for "Casino Royale" and did a fantastic job.

But "Star Trek: Nemesis" was a mess
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Old November 22 2011, 10:02 PM   #553
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And he is the editor for "Skyfall" too - at least according to IMDB.
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Old November 22 2011, 10:06 PM   #554
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Some more pictures of London filming.

It's a radical departure (referring to the stubble) for a Bond film. Not sure I'm sold on it yet. And of course, not sure how long he keeps it in the film.
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^ Re Nemesis: Tom Hardy for the next 007!

Re the stubble: It makes Craig look a lot older, with all the gray in his beard. Maybe they're pulling a Dark Knight Rises and jumping forwards by 8 years!
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