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Old January 1 2011, 10:21 PM   #31
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Re: Spock with red makeup

Glad we didn't have a red looking Spock as that would've really weird. Another reason going for the green tint other than it being better for the TV, could be that in those days people read comics, books and stories about little green men mars etc. So, it could've been the alien colour of the time.
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Old January 1 2011, 10:46 PM   #32
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Another reason going for the green tint other than it being better for the TV, could be that in those days people read comics, books and stories about little green men mars etc. So, it could've been the alien colour of the time.
That was undoubtedly a factor. The original Klingon makeup had some green mixed in with the brown. Then there are the Orion slave girls.

I wonder where the concept of "little green men" originated. Why green? Perhaps it's derived from the saying about the Moon being made of green cheese -- which originally meant fresh, un-aged cheese ("green" in the sense of unripe), which is why it was applied to the obviously non-green Moon. But that meaning was forgotten over time.

Hold on, I'll Wiki it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men

Nope, it looks like the term was actually in use before it came to be applied to aliens -- it was originally used in reference to various supernatural creatures like goblins and faeries. Hmm, maybe by association with green as the color of nature? So mystical woodland creatures and the like might be green in order to hide among the foliage? Or maybe, for scarier creatures, it's because green is a reptilian color and thus carries connotations of the sinister and monstrous.
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Old January 2 2011, 08:17 AM   #33
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Imagine how different the mythos of Star Trek would have been if Vulcans had been from Mars instead of Vulcan. There would likely have been major differences in our stories of first contact, the initial human-Vulcan alliance, all sorts of stuff.
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Old January 2 2011, 08:43 AM   #34
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Imagine how different the mythos of Star Trek would have been if Vulcans had been from Mars instead of Vulcan. There would likely have been major differences in our stories of first contact, the initial human-Vulcan alliance, all sorts of stuff.
They could also have used the other Vulcan, a hypothesized companion to earth. I suspect this may be where the fictional planet got its name.
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Old January 2 2011, 03:08 PM   #35
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^Well, not a companion to Earth, but a planet within Mercury's orbit, even closer to the Sun (hence being named after the god of the forge). And yes, a number of planets in science fiction were named in reference to it -- much the same way that the various fictional uses of "Planet X" in the mid-20th century were in reference to a hypothetical tenth planet beyond Pluto (X meaning both "10" and "unknown").
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Old January 3 2011, 10:32 PM   #36
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I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
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Old January 4 2011, 08:19 AM   #37
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Re: Spock with red makeup

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I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
I just looked through it (via the index) and found nothing on the subject.
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Old January 4 2011, 09:48 AM   #38
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I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
There was a story about them putting Brent Spiner in a rainbow of face colours to see how they'd photograph, and also how each colour would appear on b/w TV. But I don't recall Nimoy photos getting colour corrected by the lab; that was Majel in green (and they also tried some Spock-like makeup on her as Number One).
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Old January 4 2011, 06:24 PM   #39
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a red tinted spock would have looked a little silly imo.. im glad they went with a normal looking look.
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Old January 4 2011, 11:35 PM   #40
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Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
I just looked through it (via the index) and found nothing on the subject.
Inside Star Trek is one of my favorite BTS books, but I think its index is too abbreviated. I think ssosmcin is referring to the "chicken soup" reference on pages 255-256.
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Old January 5 2011, 08:19 AM   #41
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I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
There was a story about them putting Brent Spiner in a rainbow of face colours to see how they'd photograph, and also how each colour would appear on b/w TV. But I don't recall Nimoy photos getting colour corrected by the lab; that was Majel in green (and they also tried some Spock-like makeup on her as Number One).
The kicker to the Data story is that after doing all these multiple color tests for Data, they bring in Roddenberry, so he can make the final choice. The first one to come up is the whitish-gold we all know and love, GR says, "That one," and leaves the screening room without even bothering with the umpteen other tests they did.
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Old January 5 2011, 09:10 AM   #42
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^^^Sometimes you just know it when you see it.
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Old January 7 2011, 07:38 PM   #43
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Old January 7 2011, 08:31 PM   #44
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Re: Spock with red makeup

DS9Sega wrote: View Post
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Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
I just looked through it (via the index) and found nothing on the subject.
IIRC, the reference in the book to someone trying to "fix" the yellow was referring to the finished film of an episode, not a makeup test.
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Old January 7 2011, 11:15 PM   #45
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I think that was more of a problem with local stations mucking up the color mix when they aired the episodes in syndication (which also had the effect of making those command uniforms look even more gold than they actually were).
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