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Old March 6 2011, 03:43 AM   #1
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Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were?

i've seen all the episodes of ENT and we see hints at VOY with the Borg episode, hints of TNG and of course, LOTS of hints at TOS, but nothing regarding DS9.

why didn't we ever see a founder or talk of the dominion? i know these were first seen in DS9, but maybe they could have imported them into the show without actually naming them. or maybe meeting a rogue group of Jem'Hadar who don't talk of the dominion. or a changeling who needs help and doesn't want to return 'home' but never says what home actually is.

is it because DS9 was like the strange stepchild of the ST franchise?
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Old March 6 2011, 04:33 AM   #2
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

I don't know. But frankly I found the incessant tie-ins of ENT to be a detriment to the show. I wanted to see more mundane alien species being 'new.' Instead we got the same damn repeats of the other series.

If they'd had an extra season we'd probably have been forced to endure bat'leth-wielding Jem'Hadar-Borg.
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Old March 6 2011, 04:38 AM   #3
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

We did see "hints" of DS9 through the use of the Ferengi in ENT.
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Old March 6 2011, 04:39 AM   #4
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

There's a huge DS9 shout-out with Section 31. Section 31 appeared in four episodes of ENT -- more episodes than they appeared in DS9, actually!

There were other DS9 shout-outs, not the least of which would be the casting of Jeffrey Combs as Shran, and the Ferengi episode.

But DS9's premise is actually one that makes it much harder to do a proper shout-out. It's set in an area of space that the Federation had apparently not contacted until at least Kirk's time, and the various Gamma Quadrant species had literally never been in the Alpha Quadrant before.
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Old March 6 2011, 04:51 AM   #5
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

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But DS9's premise is actually one that makes it much harder to do a proper shout-out. It's set in an area of space that the Federation had apparently not contacted until at least Kirk's time, and the various Gamma Quadrant species had literally never been in the Alpha Quadrant before.
It's been a while so my memory may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't there a mention of a Cardassian poet or something at one point?
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Old March 6 2011, 04:58 AM   #6
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

Tied to Section 31 in ENT is another huge shout out to DS9 - answering the question as to why Klingons in TOS looked different to Klingons in the TOS movies and TNG. Until "Trials and Tribble-ations" no one on screen had ever mentioned the Klingons' change in appearance. Without DS9 throwing in a throw away line or two about it ENT could have simply just ignored the issue as the rest of Trek had.

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It's been a while so my memory may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't there a mention of a Cardassian poet or something at one point?
The only Cardassian poet I remember getting a mention was an exile on Vulcan that one of the Dax hosts met, so that was in DS9 not ENT.

The Organians mentioned Cardassians in "Observer Effect". (Courtesy of MA when I went to look up the poet's name)

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Old March 6 2011, 05:10 AM   #7
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

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i've seen all the episodes of ENT and we see hints at VOY with the Borg episode, hints of TNG and of course, LOTS of hints at TOS, but nothing regarding DS9.

why didn't we ever see a founder or talk of the dominion? i know these were first seen in DS9, but maybe they could have imported them into the show without actually naming them. or maybe meeting a rogue group of Jem'Hadar who don't talk of the dominion. or a changeling who needs help and doesn't want to return 'home' but never says what home actually is.

is it because DS9 was like the strange stepchild of the ST franchise?
Since the Borg originated on TNG and the ones seen in ENT are from First Contact I'd call that a TNG "shout out".
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Old March 6 2011, 05:12 AM   #8
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Yeah, I don't think there are ANY Voyager shout-outs, but the Section-31 stuff is pure DS9.

Of course, with the last episode especially, TNG wins.
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Old March 6 2011, 05:17 AM   #9
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Old March 6 2011, 09:06 AM   #10
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There's a huge DS9 shout-out with Section 31. Section 31 appeared in four episodes of ENT -- more episodes than they appeared in DS9, actually!

There were other DS9 shout-outs, not the least of which would be the casting of Jeffrey Combs as Shran, and the Ferengi episode.

But DS9's premise is actually one that makes it much harder to do a proper shout-out. It's set in an area of space that the Federation had apparently not contacted until at least Kirk's time, and the various Gamma Quadrant species had literally never been in the Alpha Quadrant before.
that's true. i completely forgot about that section 31.
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Old March 6 2011, 09:37 AM   #11
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There was talk about doing first contact with one of the TNG/DS9 races in Season 5, had it occurred - and I'm pretty sure the person being interviewed (Manny Coto, I believe) rattled off some races like "Bajoran, Trill, Betazoid"

Edit: I almost forgot, The Augments arc was technically as much a shout out to DS9 was it was to TOS - DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" is when someone asks Worf about the missing head ridges and he says "We do not speak of it."
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Old March 6 2011, 10:22 AM   #12
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Personally, with ENT, I would've preferred to have more TOS era races involved instead of bringing in races not met until TNG, DS9 and VOY. Specifically I really disliked the Borg and Ferengi in ENT. Especially the Borg! But that's just me.
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Old March 6 2011, 10:24 AM   #13
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

I'm sure T'Pol at some point mentions a Cardassian. It's driving me nuts now..

I know there is a Cardassian drink mentioned in ST:XI so it's possible I mixed it up. But.. I remember thinking about it when I heard it. Gah.
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Old March 6 2011, 11:18 AM   #14
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

Isn't there a Cardassian seen in the Automated Repair Station from season 2 that was hooked up to the bio system?

On using Changelings in Enterprise, I would say there were oppurtunities to having them as we know that as well as Odo and one other there were around a 100 sent out from the Homeworld. Enterprise could've came across a planet that may have had one of these Hundred arrive on the planet.
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Old March 6 2011, 06:27 PM   #15
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Re: Why is DS9 never hinted at in 'Enterprise' when all the shows were

The thing I loved about ENT was dealing with Andorians, Tellarites, and Vulcans on a somewhat common basis. I would have loved it if Shran really became a member of the Enterprise crew like in those season 5 rumors.
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