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Old December 15 2010, 02:54 PM   #1
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Tora Ziyal (names)

Did you ever notice were the name Tora (Ziyal) might come from?
I somehow just noticed it now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

I have seen it written Tora, Thora and Torah (like on the Wiki-page), but that could be were they have the name from, couldn´t it?

Where do the other names come from? Like Dukat, Damar, Garak...
just made up in a creative moment or are there also connection to specific things?

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Old December 15 2010, 03:12 PM   #2
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I think they come from the peoples minds, who make the show
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Old December 15 2010, 03:36 PM   #3
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Re: Tora Ziyal (names)

^ Agreed.

Most of names are created for the show(s) and I seriously doubt that the writers were looking for any meaning. Maybe sometimes but not for each and every character, especially recurring ones.
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Old December 15 2010, 03:51 PM   #4
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^ I think some of the names really has a meaning XD
In DS9 there was a character named "Tahna" and "tahna" is a finnish word for paste/dough/compound! It made me really "LOL"
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Old December 15 2010, 04:22 PM   #5
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They might have a meaning, either intended or accidental, but I doubt that the writers think of this aspect every time they make a name for an alien.
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Old December 15 2010, 04:27 PM   #6
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Putting a random apostrophe in makes it alien. Putting apostrophes and random capitals in makes it Klingon.
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Old December 15 2010, 04:29 PM   #7
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Wouldn't make sense to deliberatley apply meaning to alien names. They're not from Earth, so why would they have names that relate to Earth mythology and so on.

Might as well just give them all human names.

I'd want at least one "Dave".
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Old December 15 2010, 05:07 PM   #8
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^ How about General CHANG from ST VI?
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Old December 15 2010, 05:14 PM   #9
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He was a Chinese spy in the Klingon Empire
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Old December 15 2010, 05:14 PM   #10
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I'm sure the UT would render a suitably appropriate translation of any alien name.

But it would be something to have an alien with an "alien" name that just so happens to sound like an existing word in (Earth) language.

"Hello, my name is Ch'air and this is my associate, Treee."

But that never happens, do it??
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Old December 16 2010, 08:34 AM   #11
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The_Baron wrote: View Post
Wouldn't make sense to deliberatley apply meaning to alien names. They're not from Earth, so why would they have names that relate to Earth mythology and so on.

Might as well just give them all human names.

I'd want at least one "Dave".
But they do: Spock (Dutch), Kira (Gaelic/Russian/Japanese) Nerys (Welsh), Jadzia(Polish), Ezri (Hebrew), Dax (French), Deanna (English) Hell, there are even people with the name Worf and Odo is a saint!

Of course these aren't real aliens and the writers are picking these names for various reasons. It might not go any deeper than its sounds good or they might be trying to convey something about the characters through them.
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Old December 16 2010, 10:51 AM   #12
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Wouldn't make sense to deliberatley apply meaning to alien names. They're not from Earth, so why would they have names that relate to Earth mythology and so on.

Might as well just give them all human names.

I'd want at least one "Dave".
But they do: Spock (Dutch), Kira (Gaelic/Russian/Japanese) Nerys (Welsh), Jadzia(Polish), Ezri (Hebrew), Dax (French), Deanna (English) Hell, there are even people with the name Worf and Odo is a saint!

Of course these aren't real aliens and the writers are picking these names for various reasons. It might not go any deeper than its sounds good or they might be trying to convey something about the characters through them.
Ah, but Deanna has a human father. That could be why she has an English name.

Although, I doubt that's the case with Spock.
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Re: Tora Ziyal (names)

When the TNG episode, "A Matter of Honor", premiered, and we saw poor ol' Riker cope with the live food on a clunky, old Klingon vessel, we didn't know how to spell IKS Pagh, but when we checked some "p" words in the official Pocket Books' "Klingon Dictionary", the closest Klingon word meant "indigestion".

TOS famously used some clever names: Uhura (feminine form of the Swahili word for "freedom"), mindwiped Lethe, after the "river of forgetfulness", Harry Mudd (whose name was "mud"), a librarian called Atoz (A to Z), Crewman Green who was a rather "green" crewman, and Helen Noel, whom Kirk met at a Christmas party.
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Old December 16 2010, 02:24 PM   #14
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Re: Tora Ziyal (names)

Jups, that what I mean. They do choose character names for qualities of the characters or also meanings to earth history and such.
Of course "true aliens" would not have that, however as these aliens are human-made, construted out of what humans know for their realitis, there are connections to human meanings.
Thats after all what the whole show is about, playing with questions we have on earth today, be it ethical, historical, hierachical, personal etc.
There is no alien contruct inside, because human minds though of the show and not alien minds.
Maybe some names are here that just got made-up for no other reason then to sound alien or cool, but I do think that with a lot of the names the authors did had something in mind when giving the names to the characters.
Jadzia for example means fighter...and we do have with her a character, that is strong and fighting back and not giving up so easily. The authors transport meanings in the names they choose and I think especially for recurring characters that could be important,because they do not have all the time like they have for the main charaters to get the personalities etc. across, so a name, that already gives away a bit of the character might be important.

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P.S. Damara for example means the loving and the "da" part of the name comes in other names from the word "dati" with means giving...of course this is probbaly a bit far stretched, but well...he did love Cardassia a lot and Dukat also, which is to see, because of the loyality he gives to them.
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Old December 18 2010, 03:42 AM   #15
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Clearly, sometimes the naming is intentional. Nero of Romulus?
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