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Old December 14 2010, 07:40 PM   #1
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Neelix an officer?

In Basics, Part II, Neelix and Hogan have the following exchange:

HOGAN: Neelix, look at this. They almost look constructed. Maybe the people on this world are cave dwellers.
NEELIX: If that's true, I'd say this is a do-not-disturb sign, wouldn't you? They look humanoid. We might be able to use these as tools or weapons. Gather them up, Mister Hogan. Is there a problem?
HOGAN: No, sir. Do you want all of them?
NEELIX: Waste nothing. That's one of the first rules of survival.
Why is Neelix giving orders, and why does Hogan call him “sir”? Is Neelix an officer in Voyager’s command structure? Does he have a rank?
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Old December 14 2010, 08:13 PM   #2
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Re: Neelix an officer?

Neelix being homeless most of his life, is Voyager's expert survivalist.
He's the only one that knows what resources are available in the DQ due to him being a native.
He's the only one that's survived without advanced technology.

Hogan calls him "sir" because military officers are trained to show respect, it's got nothing to do with command structure. It's how officers are properly trained to address others.
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Old December 15 2010, 07:00 AM   #3
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Re: Neelix an officer?

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Neelix being homeless most of his life, is Voyager's expert survivalist.
He's the only one that knows what resources are available in the DQ due to him being a native.
He's the only one that's survived without advanced technology.

Hogan calls him "sir" because military officers are trained to show respect, it's got nothing to do with command structure. It's how officers are properly trained to address others.
Oddly enough, Hogan ended up dead after that exchange... some survival expert...
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Old December 15 2010, 12:01 PM   #4
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Re: Neelix an officer?

Neelix gets called sir because of Main Cast member status. Same thing happens with Seven of Nine. Also I didn't get how Kim got to be a member of the senior staff when he was just an ensign considering there were crewmembers outside of the senior staff who outranked him.
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Old December 15 2010, 12:08 PM   #5
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Re: Neelix an officer?

The same reason we never saw a "night-side" Command officer on the Enterprise-D (other than Data cause he didn't sleep) Main cast only mentality at work, logic be damned.
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Old December 15 2010, 02:09 PM   #6
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Neelix gets called sir because of Main Cast member status. Same thing happens with Seven of Nine. Also I didn't get how Kim got to be a member of the senior staff when he was just an ensign considering there were crewmembers outside of the senior staff who outranked him.
Kim can likely be excused on that front since he's one of the more important bridge-crew.
And an OPS officer no less who has to have knowledge on virtually all systems.
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Old December 15 2010, 03:23 PM   #7
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Re: Neelix an officer?

C_Miller wrote: View Post
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Neelix being homeless most of his life, is Voyager's expert survivalist.
He's the only one that knows what resources are available in the DQ due to him being a native.
He's the only one that's survived without advanced technology.

Hogan calls him "sir" because military officers are trained to show respect, it's got nothing to do with command structure. It's how officers are properly trained to address others.
Oddly enough, Hogan ended up dead after that exchange... some survival expert...
Shouldn't someone who's a military officer and a Maquis guerilla fighter also have a better sense of survival skills himself? Weren't the Maquis living in caves and scavaging for food too back in the AQ?

Sounds like Hogan was just a dumb ass.
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Old December 15 2010, 06:01 PM   #8
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Re: Neelix an officer?

exodus wrote: View Post
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Neelix being homeless most of his life, is Voyager's expert survivalist.
He's the only one that knows what resources are available in the DQ due to him being a native.
He's the only one that's survived without advanced technology.

Hogan calls him "sir" because military officers are trained to show respect, it's got nothing to do with command structure. It's how officers are properly trained to address others.
Oddly enough, Hogan ended up dead after that exchange... some survival expert...
Shouldn't someone who's a military officer and a Maquis guerilla fighter also have a better sense of survival skills himself? Weren't the Maquis living in caves and scavaging for food too back in the AQ?

Sounds like Hogan was just a dumb ass.
He also just stood there and screamed instead of running when that thing came after him.

He was like the chick who breaks her heel and runs up the stairs instead out the door in crappy B movies.
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Old December 15 2010, 06:51 PM   #9
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Oddly enough, Hogan ended up dead after that exchange... some survival expert...
Shouldn't someone who's a military officer and a Maquis guerilla fighter also have a better sense of survival skills himself? Weren't the Maquis living in caves and scavaging for food too back in the AQ?

Sounds like Hogan was just a dumb ass.
He also just stood there and screamed instead of running when that thing came after him.

He was like the chick who breaks her heel and runs up the stairs instead out the door in crappy B movies.
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Old December 16 2010, 07:03 AM   #10
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Neelix being homeless most of his life, is Voyager's expert survivalist.
He's the only one that knows what resources are available in the DQ due to him being a native.
He's the only one that's survived without advanced technology.

Hogan calls him "sir" because military officers are trained to show respect, it's got nothing to do with command structure. It's how officers are properly trained to address others.
Oddly enough, Hogan ended up dead after that exchange... some survival expert...
Shouldn't someone who's a military officer and a Maquis guerilla fighter also have a better sense of survival skills himself? Weren't the Maquis living in caves and scavaging for food too back in the AQ?

Sounds like Hogan was just a dumb ass.
It's just a TV show. Ultimately Hogan died because the script says he did. I just chuckle at the irony of Neelix being the first (and only?) person to lose someone being the self proclaimed survival expert. For all we know, the writers were having fun with us.
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Old December 16 2010, 04:29 PM   #11
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It's just a TV show.
I think it taking place on a space ship already tipped me off to that, thanks.
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Old December 16 2010, 04:30 PM   #12
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It's just a TV show.
I think it taking place on a space ship already tipped me off to that, thanks.
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Old December 16 2010, 10:20 PM   #13
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It's just a TV show.
I think it taking place on a space ship already tipped me off to that, thanks.
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Old December 16 2010, 10:22 PM   #14
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Re: Neelix an officer?

Who knows, maybe Neelix really was an officer. Didn't he say once that he served in Talax's military?
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Old December 16 2010, 10:56 PM   #15
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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
Who knows, maybe Neelix really was an officer. Didn't he say once that he served in Talax's military?
He said that, but it turned out later he lied. I think it was in State of Flux?

Anyway, I liked Hogan, so any comedic value his death scene could have had for me was squashed. I still get sad when that tortoise-snake-beast eats him!

I was a little shocked when the addressed Neelix as "sir," myself. Neelix does attend senior staff briefings, though, so he must hold some kind of power on the ship, even if he has no military rank.
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