I hate it when...

Mayack419 · October 23 2011, 05:48 AM

Characters in the show refer to the ship as "the Voyager" rather than "Voyager". It gets on my nerves to no end. It shouldn't bother me, because in TNG the ship was always referred to as "the Enterprise" rather than "Enterprise". Don't know why, but there should never be a "the" preceding "Voyager". That is all.

Sandoval · October 23 2011, 06:07 AM

The Voyager.
The Voyager.
The Voyager.

Nothing wrong with it.

Cyke101 · October 23 2011, 08:09 AM

That was only in the first couple episodes though, right? It seems like the writers nipped that problem in the bud early on. And yeah, Voyager sounds better than The Voyager, perhaps because The and the syllable "Voy" just don't flow well together.

*MY* pet peeve though was that trend was carried over into Enterprise. I realize that in the modern Navy/NASA tradition it's the unspoken rule that there's no "the" before the ship's name, but it just didn't sound right for the rest of Starfleet, nevermind Enterprise -- saying "The Enterprise" is an unspoken rule in Star Trek, particularly in TOS, TNG, and the films, but even whenever DS9 and VOY writers outright referenced the ship. Though, thanks to Netflix I've noticed that TNG occasionally called the ship Enterprise, without "The".

King Daniel · October 23 2011, 10:05 AM

Didn't we do this in the ENT forum a few weeks ago?

Enterprise finally fixed the TOS/TNG monologue, replacing "To boldly go" with "To go boldly" - it's only fitting they fixed the "the" thing too.

Besides, the hundred+ years between ENT and TOS/STXI is plenty of time for naming conventions to change.

Guy Gardener · October 23 2011, 12:10 PM

Voyager is a Nourn. It's the name of the ship.

The Voyager is an Adjective. A description of the ships intent.

Totally different.

The Dominion · October 23 2011, 02:12 PM

The problem is "The Enterprise" sounds like a ship, but "The Voyager" sounds like an entity.

Admiral Shran · October 23 2011, 10:53 PM

^ That's the problem right there.

TOS and TNG referenced their ships as "The Enterprise." DS9 referenced its ship as "the Defiant." VOY couldn't do that because it made the ship sound like a person. ENT should have returned to "the Enterprise."

You_Will_Fail · October 25 2011, 12:30 AM

I'm pretty sure it was only in a couple of episodes, so unless you keep watching those same 2 or 3 episodes over and over, I don't see the problem

JB2005 · October 25 2011, 12:35 AM

See when I hear "Get us back aboard the Enterprise" it always makes me think that Picard or Kirk or whoever have been kicked out of a really exciting business proposal...

RandyS · October 25 2011, 12:59 AM

Mayack419 wrote:

Characters in the show refer to the ship as "the Voyager" rather than "Voyager". It gets on my nerves to no end. It shouldn't bother me, because in TNG the ship was always referred to as "the Enterprise" rather than "Enterprise". Don't know why, but there should never be a "the" preceding "Voyager". That is all.

Outside of Paris doing it once early on, I can't remember anybody ever doing it. And they should have. Just saying "Voyager" was dumb. Of course, it doesn't irritate me no end as the opposite seems to do to you, but I just think it sounds silly without the "The". Same with Enterprise later on.

Tiberius · October 25 2011, 02:17 AM

I don't see the need for the "The" in front of ship names. Nobody ever says "The Picard" or "The Sisko".

Oh wait.

Well, you know what I mean anyway...

The Dominion · October 25 2011, 02:43 AM

Nobody ever said The Janeway, so maybe she doesn't get those privileges.

JB2005 · October 25 2011, 03:40 PM

They might now she's gone to the big coffee pot in the sky...

October 23 2011, 05:48 AM	#1
Mayack419 Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Orlando, FL	I hate it when... Characters in the show refer to the ship as "the Voyager" rather than "Voyager". It gets on my nerves to no end. It shouldn't bother me, because in TNG the ship was always referred to as "the Enterprise" rather than "Enterprise". Don't know why, but there should never be a "the" preceding "Voyager". That is all.

October 23 2011, 06:07 AM	#2
Sandoval Fleet Captain	Re: I hate it when... The Voyager. The Voyager. The Voyager. Nothing wrong with it. __________________ Sandoval

October 23 2011, 08:09 AM	#3
Cyke101 Rear Admiral	Re: I hate it when... That was only in the first couple episodes though, right? It seems like the writers nipped that problem in the bud early on. And yeah, Voyager sounds better than The Voyager, perhaps because The and the syllable "Voy" just don't flow well together. MY pet peeve though was that trend was carried over into Enterprise. I realize that in the modern Navy/NASA tradition it's the unspoken rule that there's no "the" before the ship's name, but it just didn't sound right for the rest of Starfleet, nevermind Enterprise -- saying "The Enterprise" is an unspoken rule in Star Trek, particularly in TOS, TNG, and the films, but even whenever DS9 and VOY writers outright referenced the ship. Though, thanks to Netflix I've noticed that TNG occasionally called the ship Enterprise, without "The". __________________ “You do not use science in order to prove yourself right, you use science in order to become right”

October 23 2011, 10:05 AM	#4
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: I hate it when... Didn't we do this in the ENT forum a few weeks ago? Enterprise finally fixed the TOS/TNG monologue, replacing "To boldly go" with "To go boldly" - it's only fitting they fixed the "the" thing too. Besides, the hundred+ years between ENT and TOS/STXI is plenty of time for naming conventions to change.

October 23 2011, 12:10 PM	#5
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October 23 2011, 02:12 PM	#6
The Dominion Fleet Captain Location: Gamma Quadrant	Re: I hate it when... The problem is "The Enterprise" sounds like a ship, but "The Voyager" sounds like an entity. __________________ A witty saying proves nothing. ~ Voltaire

October 23 2011, 10:53 PM	#7
Admiral Shran Admiral Location: In the Before Time - the Long, Long Ago	Re: I hate it when... ^ That's the problem right there. TOS and TNG referenced their ships as "The Enterprise." DS9 referenced its ship as "the Defiant." VOY couldn't do that because it made the ship sound like a person. ENT should have returned to "the Enterprise." __________________ Vote Obomney 2012! "All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities. It's not that power corrupts but that it's magnetic to the corruptible." - Frank Herbert, Dune

October 25 2011, 12:30 AM	#8
You_Will_Fail Fleet Captain Location: Trill, Federation World and Proud	Re: I hate it when... I'm pretty sure it was only in a couple of episodes, so unless you keep watching those same 2 or 3 episodes over and over, I don't see the problem

October 25 2011, 12:35 AM	#9
JB2005 Commodore Location: England, UK	Re: I hate it when... See when I hear "Get us back aboard the Enterprise" it always makes me think that Picard or Kirk or whoever have been kicked out of a really exciting business proposal... __________________ Click here to see my failed attempt to write a children's story!

October 25 2011, 02:17 AM	#11
Tiberius Commodore	Re: I hate it when... I don't see the need for the "The" in front of ship names. Nobody ever says "The Picard" or "The Sisko". Oh wait. Well, you know what I mean anyway... __________________ The Best of Both Worlds eBook \| Every episode of Trek in viewing order Tiberius

October 25 2011, 02:43 AM	#12
The Dominion Fleet Captain Location: Gamma Quadrant	Re: I hate it when... Nobody ever said The Janeway, so maybe she doesn't get those privileges. __________________ A witty saying proves nothing. ~ Voltaire

October 25 2011, 03:40 PM	#13
JB2005 Commodore Location: England, UK	Re: I hate it when... They might now she's gone to the big coffee pot in the sky... __________________ Click here to see my failed attempt to write a children's story!