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Old January 13 2014, 12:13 PM   #316
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I'm 44 in a matter of days. I started dabbling 10 years ago. I'm still mediocre as hell, but getting better.
Mediocre is absolutely NOT the word I would use to describe your efforts, Nick. You've done some outstanding stuff over the years!
Thanks, but I really wasn't fishing for compliments. I just like to be honest, and I'm fairly self-aware of my abilities (both my strengths and weaknesses). Or at least I think I am.
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Old January 13 2014, 05:39 PM   #317
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I'm 44 in a matter of days. I started dabbling 10 years ago. I'm still mediocre as hell, but getting better.
Mediocre is absolutely NOT the word I would use to describe your efforts, Nick. You've done some outstanding stuff over the years!
Thanks, but I really wasn't fishing for compliments. I just like to be honest, and I'm fairly self-aware of my abilities (both my strengths and weaknesses). Or at least I think I am.
I know. More than most (if not all) of the continuing fan film writer/producers, you have (at least from my own observation) been the most receptive to feedback, considerate of your growing pains as a writer/performer, and have always struck me as being genuinely looking for ways to grow and improve. These are great, great qualities to have. I for one find it refreshing and quite nice to find that kind of perspective and I do appreciate it.
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Old January 13 2014, 05:49 PM   #318
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Thanks. I really wish I had more time to work at it.
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Old January 13 2014, 10:09 PM   #319
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  • If you write a Trek Fanfilm, try to do one with next to ZERO visual effects. The effects frequently become a bottleneck that keeps films in post for lengthy period or forever. If you can get it all in camera (except maybe some ship flybys) then you actually have a film even if your effects pipeline falls apart.
It's always the case with our productions. The more VFX, the longer it takes to complete.
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Old January 13 2014, 10:41 PM   #320
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Maurice has it right. Put the story first. If it's a good story it will work in any genre. The special fx and setting will simply provide the framework. I would say get your story first. After that you can make decisions on what kind of sets to build, or whether to rent some of the facilities that are available. But without a script in hand, you could find yourself in a very bad situation if you start shooting and realize you don't have the right sets or location, things could go south in a hurry.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:24 PM   #321
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Exactly right. Which is why I've been trying to tackle stories with minimal effects of late.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:54 PM   #322
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Same here. The vignettes we've been shooting lately are sparse on the VFX. As a result, we've completed 6 more than we've released. Everything's waiting on the VFX-laden episode and two VFX-heavy vignettes.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:04 AM   #323
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The effects-less production is one of the best suggestions offered on here. It's simple, straightforward, and liberating. Trek fan films are of course handicapped from the get-go by the desire to have effects.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:12 AM   #324
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There was a 1968 version of Stanislaw Lem's Solaris done for Soviet TV which has ZERO effects. It's all set in a space ship and space station and uses some stock rocket footage here and there.


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Old January 14 2014, 03:27 AM   #325
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Such great advice as I said before and I applaud those who have contributed and those who are doing it.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:00 AM   #326
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I'm 44 in a matter of days. I started dabbling 10 years ago. I'm still mediocre as hell, but getting better.
I got into watching fan films because I LOVED (and still love) INTREPID. By the way, I just updated and corrected the Intrepid page at Star Trek Reviewd, and Ulisses just updated the Portuguese Language Page's Intrepid section, too.
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Old January 21 2014, 07:32 AM   #327
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The original series of Star Trek had maybe 10 FX shots an episode, and many were stock footage. That Bob Justman knew how to maximize his shows time and budget

I think some, maybe most, fan films rely on VFX way too much at the cost of story.

In the early days, we would have 80+ shots. I'm thinking "In Harm's Way" has almost 200 shots if you count phaser shots, Transporter scenes and green screen shots.

Nowadays, I encourage the use of way less VFX shots and more emphasis on character driven story.

Star Trek is a morality play presented in the skin of science fiction. My challenge to the teams I work with are to return to the story and stop treating each episode like a major movie event with 100's of VFX shots.

The simple morality play is much more appealing to me and truer to Star Trek than recreating a Battle of Wolf 359 type shot/episode.

Star Trek is at its best when commenting on the human condition on a weekly basis rather than as a summer movie tent pole event (as the JJ movies are).

I know fan films cannot be a weekly occurrence as all of us have real jobs and commitments, but it would sure be nice to see a real Trek episode being made by the fans rather than some sort of "event film" burdened with stunt casting and elaborate VFX which causes, in some productions cases, YEARS of delay in getting them done.
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Old January 21 2014, 07:35 AM   #328
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Jack Marshall! Good to see you around!
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Old January 21 2014, 07:43 AM   #329
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Greetings Sir! Nice to see you're still around these parts as one of the voices I've always enjoyed.
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Old January 21 2014, 08:20 AM   #330
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I see we're on the same page here.

Get it in camera is my motto. I shoot on greenscreen only when forced to, and I always try to minimize the number of VFX shots and keep them simple.

Using Wolf 359 as an example, let's not forget that originally we never saw the battle. We just saw a few shots of shattered hulks. That was waaaaay more impactful (and a helluva lot less complex) than showing starships going pew pew pew. What we imaged was surely more horrifying than any effects could have portrayed.
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