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Old December 10 2010, 07:03 PM   #31
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Zimmer's score is fantastic. Second favorite score of the year for me...until I heard "Black Swan". Anyways yeah I caught Cobb's son building a castle too...if that was meant as a subtle nod to being an Architect.
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Old December 10 2010, 09:53 PM   #32
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the mind-bending use of dreams and how they "work."
What you said invites the same question I asked him, what is so "mind bending" about it all?

I've seen guides online (such as this one) explaining how everyone is in one dream or another. Right. Ok. I get that. It's a complex scenario. Lot of ins, lot of outs. You have to pay attention. A lot of crime thrillers work like that. It's not unique.

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their caper is a bit more complex than a straight-up heist. I mean they weren't breaking into th guy's mind to get secrets, to steal money or anything like that they were doing it to implant an idea in him and, further, they even made him part of the heist.
Maybe this is where I'm diverging from the people who really like the film. Is it the idea that they go into someone else's mind, or how they go about doing it that's the exciting bit. I mean, is it simply that they're in someone else's mind, and just that fact alone, that has caught people's attention so?

So far as this is set inside a dream world, apart from some slow motion and zero gravity work (oh yes, and the "train of thought" ) you don't feel like you're in a dream world. You're just in another place. The Matrix and (dare I say it) eXistenz managed getting across the unsettling idea of slipping between realities so much better.

After all this, I'm not saying the film was bad. I'm not saying it was average. As I said to my coworker, great film, very entertaining, glad I pre-booked to see it on the big screen. But that's it. Having the whole thing wash over me, I'm done. I don't need to trod through the whole thing again. It's just not a masterpiece. I went away thinking, technically well done, but that's it.

I never thought it was in any way as clever as I'm told I'm supposed to think it was. I don't see why you can't say that's it's very well made but still boils down to something pretty straightforward, with a little tweest in the ending.

And yes, a Daddy who works as a thief and hangs around with a mentally unstable fellow junkie? He's a dead beat, no matter how hard he wants to be back with his kids.
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Old December 10 2010, 10:01 PM   #33
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We can't say that it is straight forward because it isn't...and everyone is entitled to their opinions. Nolan originally planned "Inception" as a horror flick but decided it would be much more fascinating to explore his idea as a heist film with a slight science fiction twang because of his ongoing fascination with dreams. If this film was so straight forward as you would have us believe (again I'm not attacking your beliefs or opinions on the movie I'm trying to give insight into the complexity of the film) then it wouldn't have taken Nolan almost ten years to bring his idea to fruition. Indeed I don't think this movie is a unique film since Nolan has admitted to have influences from "Dark City" "The Matrix" "The Thirteenth Floor" and his own film "Memento" (which is kind of like a warm up for "Inception".
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Old December 10 2010, 11:07 PM   #34
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I was puzzled when I heard about the long gestation period for the script, I figured he needed to wait for the right special effects to become available.

It was ages ago that I caught Memento, but I remember that being quite a clever film, without the massive budget that Inception required.
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Old December 10 2010, 11:25 PM   #35
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the mind-bending use of dreams and how they "work."
What you said invites the same question I asked him, what is so "mind bending" about it all?
It probably "really" means something very different than how I treat it and even different than how others treat it but for me any movie that can get my imagination running in a manner that makes me think of time, space, reality and mentality is "mind bending."

The "Dream Time Dilation" thing I just love as it's just insane, crazy and just gets my mind spinning. To think that the entire last act of the movie takes place over a couple hours of "real time" (Yes it was 10-hour flight which was supposed to give them something like a week to do what they needed to do but the weaponized projections forced them to speed up their time table from a week to hours. Once the "mission" is over in "reality" everyone still had to hang around in the first dream-level for a week, avoiding the weaponized projections, to wait for the drug to wear off. It's my theory Cobb and Saito's time in "Limbo" did last the whole 10 hours which for Saito was for 200 years and Cobb was a few years. Killing themselves in Limbo allowed them to wake-up in the real world since all of the other dream levels were gone. Pure will and mental-strength allowed them to come out of the dream without their "brains going to jelly." I've theories on this, other aspects and even the above-posted link that I'll post later) but we pretty much see the action in "real time" from how everyone is experiencing it and then when the slow-mo drop of the van starts it's just nuts to me and I love that kind of stuff.

I liked the idea of manipulating "reality" inside the dream, the concept of Limbo, the concept of Cobb and Mal spending 50 years in Limbo, growing old together and then waking up with only hours having passed in Reality, the idea of implanting ideas in people (and the idea having to be very simple so the person thinks its their idea) how that idea caused Mal to question Reality and kill herself, why it has to be done so precisely (don't think of elephants), the Penrose Staircase (which I've a quibble about) and so much more.

Any movie that can make me just think and get my imagination running and think of different realities clashing with one another just bends my mind. To think that everything we see that happens in the last act occurs in the time it took the van to fall from the bridge and that, really, everything probably occured over a few minutes of flight-time.

Yeah. For me, that's enough to make a movie "mind bending" as it gets my mind racing and just thinking about how realities clash.
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Old December 19 2010, 04:26 AM   #36
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Anyone notice at times in this movie Ellen Page walks a bit strong-shouldered like she's a line backer?
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Old December 19 2010, 04:29 AM   #37
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I bought the limited edition Inception briefcase DVD, and it should arrive in a few days. I'm so excited!
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Old February 7 2011, 09:45 PM   #38
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Finally got around to seeing this. A very impressive film from a storytelling and visual effects standpoint. The score is also excellent. You'd have to chalk me up into the same camp that says it's a very straightforward movie, though. I went into this having virtually no spoilers, purposely avoiding them because I got the impression it would ruin the movie if I went into it knowing very much.

The mechanics of building and infiltrating dreams was all explained well enough that even the dimmest viewer could grasp it. I felt like the whole affair was a little too straightforward, and not nearly as much of a mindfuck as the buzz led me to believe. I guess people's standards are just really low for this sort of thing. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching it and it's an exceedingly well-crafted film, but a lot of the alleged complexity appears to consist of people reading things into it that aren't really there.

One of the things it did do well was get me invested in the dream sequences, even down into the dreams-within-dreams. That's one of the neat tricks Nolan managed to pull: the vast majority of the movie takes place inside dreams, so there are not any "real" consequences to what's happening. Nobody can really "die" in there, for instance. And yet you get caught up enough in it that it is real, or at least as real as the "real life" segments of the film. I didn't wind up feeling as though the dream sequences were less important, which is a very real risk with a movie of this type. Let's face it, the "dream within a dream" shtick has been done to death, and I thought this was a pretty fresh take on it.

The last-second ambiguity as to the reality of Cobb's homecoming was a little eye-rolling to me, as it was so obvious a card to play. A small sin I can forgive in an otherwise good movie.

I enjoy movies that question reality, especially appreciating the irony that movies are false realities in themselves. In some ways, Inception is subversive of the conventions it employs, but its narrative was surprisingly straightforward and accessible given the subject matter. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, I guess I just don't see all the depth and complexity others do.
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Old February 7 2011, 10:34 PM   #39
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People being confused or lost by this movie says more about them than the movie.
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Old February 7 2011, 11:10 PM   #40
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I guess I just don't see all the depth and complexity others do.
That's because it's not there. People are just dumb.
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Old February 8 2011, 12:52 AM   #41
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My dad, who doesn't understand ANY movie actually followed this.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:16 AM   #42
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The only twist to speak of was the reveal of the dream within a dream at the beginning. Everything else was straight forward.
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Old February 8 2011, 04:03 AM   #43
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Yeah there was no real "twist" other than entire premise of the movie which is pretty much revealed right away.

I took me a couple viewing in the theater to completely understand and pick up on everything in this movie but I got quite a bit after the first viewing it just took two viewings to completely put other events together and see more things in earlier moments. This was a movie I just really, really liked.
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I liked it too. It's already one of my favorite films. Totally blew me away.

So what exactly does that briefcase dream machine do? That's the only thing I really didn't get. Minor nitpick though.
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So what exactly does that briefcase dream machine do? That's the only thing I really didn't get. Minor nitpick though.
It induces telepathic dream comas. Duh.
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