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Old February 7 2011, 07:40 PM   #1
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Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

It seems like there are a number of Westerns or Western era shows in the works for 2011.

AMC has already ordered Hell on Wheels for late 2011. Ron Moore is working on a Wild Wild West remake for CBS(although no word on a pilot yet). And NBC just ordered a pilot for The Crossing.

Granted 3 shows is nothing compared with the number of doctor/lawyer/cop shows we get. And only the AMC show is guaranteed of getting a season, but it still feels like we could see a growing trend here.

Personally, I'm excited and hope the networks may finally break free of the procedural rut they've been in recently. Of course if all these shows flops we know the will just be replaced by another generic cop show.
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Old February 7 2011, 08:45 PM   #2
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

Funny, I thought this was going to be about True Grit and Cowboys and Aliens.

Added to those tv developments it does appear to be a micro trend that I hope continues to grow.

I love the genre. My fascination has increased over the last few years. Partially because I seen almost everything in the sci-fi and fantasy genres. There are hundreds of old movies and tv shows I have never seen to pick and choice from.

I would love to see a western tv equivalent of Mad Men. In terms of writing and period detail.

One of the great things about 3:10 to Yuma and True Grit is they were both fresh and vital. Which is ironic because both are remakes. With both focusing on characters and storytelling. So many westerns of recent decades are homages to the styles of films of the past. I think if this new crop of westerns is going to be successful it needs to continue to break out of that. Looking towards the real history more.
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Old February 7 2011, 09:46 PM   #3
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

It could be. That would be nice. Although I don't think westerns are going to go the likes of hysteria like vamps and zombies have overdone recently, but respectable consistent westerns will be a nice niche change of pace again. Although one might argue that steady westerns have never really gone away and have increased in the past few years with the 3:10 to Yuma remake and No Country for Old Men.

Ever notice when there is a quality western about that wins all kinds of awards, they still seem to be few and far between? Before No Country and True Grit we have to go all the way back to Unforgiven, don't we? Why isn't there usually a big western bandwagon? Not that I like them when they are bad, but give some due respect! Do they not make enough money for folks, or do they think the older western target audience is dying off? Then again, when they try and make westerns young and hip and mainstream, we get mish mashed crap like Jonah Hex.

Perhaps Cowboys and Aliens will get that crossover appeal. Westerns generally ebb and flow the way vampire films used to. Oh, let the good ole boys have their western and give them some awards? What, we need something scary and hip, toss out Underworld! Will westerns be the next overkill genre? All the people who liked a genre before it goes mainstream are the ones who get inevitably screwed.

Actually, John Carpenter's vampires is kind of both, too.
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Old February 7 2011, 11:23 PM   #4
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

AMC has already ordered Hell on Wheels for late 2011. Ron Moore is working on a Wild Wild West remake for CBS(although no word on a pilot yet). And NBC just ordered a pilot for The Crossing.
Those three would all be uncharacteristic Westerns (which is a good thing). Hell on Wheels is specifically about the Transcontinental Railroad, not the usual subject for a Western. The Crossing is set in Missouri, which is too far east for a "real" Western. Sounds more like a period drama about Reconstruction. And of course Wild Wild West is (or I hope will be) steampunk.

They all sound interesting. And any show that isn't another cop show is a good show.
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Old February 7 2011, 11:30 PM   #5
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It could be. That would be nice. Although I don't think westerns are going to go the likes of hysteria like vamps and zombies have overdone recently, but respectable consistent westerns will be a nice niche change of pace again.
How about Billy the Kid's vampire gang being chased by Pat Garrett and his team of slayers? Only to end up having to work together when the region is overrun with zombies?
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Old February 8 2011, 12:28 AM   #6
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I would love to see a western tv equivalent of Mad Men. In terms of writing and period detail.
I agree. Let's hope AMC pulls it off with Hell On Wheels.
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Old February 8 2011, 02:51 AM   #7
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GOD I HOPE NOT!

I absolutely loathe westerns. Hell, I largely passed on Firefly when it initially aired because of the western motif. I grew to like it despite the cringe inducing western stuff.
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Old February 8 2011, 02:55 AM   #8
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It would be great if it were the year of the Western. But they need to be quality. True Grit is amazing, but how much interest will there be in products that come in far below that quality level?
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Old February 8 2011, 03:11 AM   #9
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It would be great if it were the year of the Western. But they need to be quality. True Grit is amazing, but how much interest will there be in products that come in far below that quality level?
Isn't True Grit a John Wayne western from the late 60s? Or did they do a remake?
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Old February 8 2011, 03:13 AM   #10
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

The only westerns I have enjoyed are Firefly, Back to the Future 3 and Brisco County, Jnr, mainly cos they had sci fi elements in this.

Now I don't enjoy them but others do, so I will simply follow the advice I give when someone doesn't like something.

Don't watch.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:14 AM   #11
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The Coen Brothers did a remake of True Grit that is actually (in my opinion) superior to the original.
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Old February 8 2011, 03:43 AM   #12
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I love westerns.
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Old February 8 2011, 06:59 AM   #13
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

I've heard a few things on the remake of "True Grit". Many lines reused, and so forth. Essentially, aren't the main differences just the composer and which side the eye patch is on?
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Old February 8 2011, 08:49 AM   #14
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

The recent version of True Grit was actually based more on the original book and not intended as a "remake" of the John Wayne movie as such.
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Old February 8 2011, 10:43 AM   #15
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Re: Could 2011 be the year of the Western?

I'm sorry but why is this is Sci-Fi Gen? Shouldn't this be moved to TV/Media?
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